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[–] TotallyNotSpez@lemm.ee 80 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I couldn't care less about Superman.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Superman is such a single note character that the good things that came out of his existence can all be counted on one hand. I get that he was foundational to the concept of superheros, but it shows in this day and age.

I will say the monologue in justice league while he's slapping around Darkside is immaculate though.

[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The best thing to come from Superman is Lex Luther. No villain can go toe to toe with Supes, except maybe Doomsday, but does he really count as a villain? Mindless kill machine. Anyway, Lex has to beat Superman who can punch him into mist, or roast him by looking at him too hard, or literally blow him to the moon. How do you write a villain to counter that? By making them cunning and lovable to the public so that if Superman does any of those things, the public turns against him. Superman’s weakness isn’t only kryptonite, he craves social acceptance, if he didn’t he would just punch his way into being in charge and dare anyone to stop him. Lex gets how razor thin that edge is and takes full advantage.

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[–] androogee@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Eh, Batman is exactly as single-note as Superman is.

Superman requires very good writing from someone who understands what to do with the character.

I'm pretty excited to see what Gunn does with him, tbh.

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[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree. Superman has as much depth as Batman. He's just more morally pure, and people mistake "dark" for "complex".

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[–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 69 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Mickey Mouse. Like what is even the appeal? Is there anyone who actually likes Mickey Mouse?

That fucking mouse is absolutely everywhere but it's the most boring nonsense character to ever exist.

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like most really early animated characters, Mickey Mouse was a lot of things over a long period of time. And as far as American animation goes, Mickey Mouse has been a staple for the childhood of literally every generation. Younger millennials and zoomers grew up on Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Children in decades prior watched Mickey be a musketeer in one short and starving due to poverty in the next.

So while the rough edges of the character have been sanded down over time, he's still very much a plucky, brave, kind, and helpful protagonist in most of the media he's in.

Which to your average adult viewer means... he's a bland and uninteresting character.

That said, he's still an icon of animation as a whole, and most things with Mickey in them are doing some new and novel something (design, production pipeline, whatever) that pushes the whole industry forward in some way.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.run 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'm curious, I feel like I haven't seen mickey in anything flagship Disney in an extremely long time, what's his latest work?

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 25 points 4 months ago

Exactly. Donald Duck is an infinitely superior character.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

Rich Evans once said of Who Framed Roger Rabbit: "Bugs Bunny gave Eddie Valiant the spare tire (instead of a spare parachute) because Mickey Mouse would never do anything funny."

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 52 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Harry Potter. People often talk about a "golden age" of JK Rowling, and I think to myself, what golden age? Harry Potter, both the character and the books, are written like a hyperinflated Cinderella, complete with an attempt at discriminatory apologetics that would make CS Lewis say "you okay bro?"

Also, Luke Skywalker. People hate Anakin for being whiny and weak and Rey for being a Mary Sue, but Luke is both and nobody complains.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Luke had to actually train and failed when he fought his main, more experienced villain for the first time. Then he went back and did more training off screen. I think that makes him less a Mary Sue. He's definitely whiny, though.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Only in the beginning. Part of the excellence of the OT was seeing him grow from whiny kid to self-confident man.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.run 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He's whiny in just barely enough lines to establish that he's still a bit naive, but I would not consider him an overall whiny character, even in the vacuum of episode 4, he is not constantly bitching and dodging his responsibility once its importance is established.

Its probably the best way they could've utilized whininess

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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Additionally, and probably most importantly, Luke actually isn't strong enough to defeat the emperor at the end. He losses. However, he wins over his father and that's what turns the tide.

Similarly, while Anikan has some mary sue moments, he has a far share of losses (chase for Padme's would be assassin, count doku fight, Obi-Wan fight, etc.)

I think the only time Rey "losses" a battle is in force awakens when she gets captured (but even after being captured she overpowers Ben almost immediately).

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[–] Pumafred9@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but he used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.

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[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Harry fucking potter. What an absolute bag of sand.

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[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Astarion from BG3. I can understand why people like him. I personally do not and generally never used him in the party because I didn't want to hear him be annoyed yet again I was helping people.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Astarion is particularly annoying in Act 1 for some reason, with 99% of his reactions just being him hating anything that is remotely positive. His reactions (and character in general) in the following acts is a lot more fleshed out and varied.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

His guard is up for the first act because he is traveling with new people.the change is due to warming up to the characters.

Shadowheart does this in the first act too, and combined they are really annoying as a combo but I found both to be fine individually.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Jim from the US version of The Office.

[–] wirelesswire@kbin.run 25 points 4 months ago

I think he's liked more because he's relatable, rather than he's an interesting character. Personally, I think his pranks on Dwight are amusing, but everything else about him is nothing special.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but feel that Dwight would be a much better friend to have than Jim.

[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Dwight would be a much more loyal friend for sure, and far less likely to steal your girl. But these high intelligence low wisdom friends are exhausting. Especially when they make a mistake, because they’re so book smart they couldn’t possibly be wrong. Tons of unwanted advice on subjects they’ve only read about. But they’ll always be first to arrive when you need help moving. It’s almost impossible for you to be as good a friend in return, not that it’s required, but I feel bad when it’s not even. And then you’re just driving around one day chatting with them in the passenger seat and they pull out the ninja star they bought at the gas station and want you to think it’s as cool as they do. I just don’t know how to handle Dwight friends.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've been watching some Friends here and there (a bit late to the game) and I absolutely cannot stand Rachel.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Ross is the one that drives me insane. Literally every other person demonstrates some sort of growth over the 10 years the show takes place, but Ross is pretty much exactly the same.

For me, Rachel starts out annoying but gets more likeable through the seasons.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 30 points 4 months ago

so many. jesus, allah, jehova, it goes on and on.

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Sephiroth. His look is basically the most generic bishy anime character you can make, his entire backstory can be boiled down to "mommy issues" and his motivations are the standard villain "destroy world/become god". He's just so bland.

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but he got a bitchin soundtrack

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Agreed. And Kefka was way cooler anyway.

(I firmly believe most people gush over FF7 so much only because it was their first exposure to a mainstream console RPG in non-Japanese circles. FF7 as a whole was a fairly meh entry into the series anyway, if you ask me.)

Not only did Kefka have real style, twisted though it may be, he also for all intents and purposes actually managed to win. He fractured the world, scattered the heroes, built his goddamned tower, and was lording it all over everybody with a penthouse view. He didn't have angst; he was just nuts. It was frankly a complete fluke that he got the shit whacked out of him by a little girl with a paintbrush, a 8x per round attacking Moogle with Genji gloves, a senior citizen, and a mime.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

The Doctor.

We get it. You wish a dashing eccentric gentleman with an English accent will appear out of the blue and whisk you away from your situation to a life of adventure. But it's not going to happen, sweetheart.

It doesn't help that Doctor Who has always been crap sci-fi, but gets a free ride due to having such a long history stretching back to before anyone knew any better. The series as a whole is one of those I find also dragged down by a subsection of rabid insufferable fans, at least the modern incarnations, right up there with Rick and Morty and Supernatural. (I see I already kicked the beehive.)

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

I think the sci-fi is not crap. But it is not appealing to everyone. DW remains a children's show, always has been. It should be viewed as such, just like Star Wars is.

TBH, I still watch it, even though it peaked seasons 4 - 6, then went down and down and down. I think nostalgia has got a hold of me because the new season wouldn't wouldn't get hooked to it if I were my first time watching it.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

The Joker.

I really don't get the obsession with overusing the Joker when most of Barman's other rogue gallery members are much more interesting. The worst of it is during "The Batman Who Laughs", because now you have both the regular Joker and "what if Batman became Joker" running around. And then, as if it couldn't get any more ridiculous,

spoilerThe Batman who Laughs gets Dr. Manhattan's powers in a groan-worthy way which is like, not how Dr. Manhattan works at all just so they can fit more Joker into the story.


And I think most people will agree by now that Harley Quinn is a lot better of a character after she's done being Joker's sidekick.

[–] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

John Wick

Many others too but I hardly watch any movies or tv series so no one else comes to mind

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[–] Pumafred9@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

First, imagine you're a horny 13 year old girl. Then you'll get the appeal.

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[–] toastboy79@kbin.earth 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah....I want to like him and he's got more character development than any other, but yeah. So your high school crush didn't "get" your personality disorder and then slipped away. That's what happens in high school. But then he goes back to teach AND LIVE at his old high school and never moves on? Snape my man...marry Denise from your gym and get over it. Get a job somewhere else, join a pickleball league or somethin.

[–] odium@programming.dev 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The little Prince is overrated imo.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Boo and humbug.

How is the little prince overrated?

He's not some huge pop icon.

Oh unless, is he some huge pop icon where you're from?

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[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Everyone on Rick and Morty.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They're not supposed to be likeable, they're supposed to be entertaining.

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 12 points 4 months ago (8 children)
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