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We're watching US democracy dying right before our eyes.

If Biden and the Democrats had any mental coherency and a spine they'd be using this ruling to their advantage and fuck over conservatives before conservatives get into office to kill democracy and the opposition parties.

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[–] Coach@lemmy.world 139 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Great! Now jail and/or execute the 6 corrupt justices. The problem just solved itself.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Dark Brandon, come out to play...

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[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This will not happen. Democrats are fucking pussies and I keep voting for their pussy asses even though they don’t do anything.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 23 points 5 months ago

If they were as freaked out by the democratic agenda as they say they are, they would never have made this ruling. It really shows that there is nothing to fear from the democrats.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

Democrats aren’t pussies. Democrats are another arm of the ruling class (aka the 0.1%). There’s a reason they act inept on these things. It makes for good theater which people eat up, but it’s all for the rich. That’s the biggest reason they’ve been remiss to move to the left. The only ones fighting for us are ones that are considered “progressive”, which are greatly in the minority. Once you realize this, a lot more of the democratic leadership actions (or lack thereof), makes sense.

[–] eric5949@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Gotta elect that string of dictators disinclined from exercising their powers 🤷

Fuck this is so bad.

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Bastille Day is next weekend. I think that’s enough time to order and assemble a guillotine. IKEA has those, right?

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you're telling me Biden could imprison SCOTUS and he'd be free from prosecution?

[–] kevindqc@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I guess they would need to decide if it's an official act or not. But if they're no longer in SCOTUS, and/or in jail/dead, how could they decide?

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 131 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

So, the United States is no longer a democracy. If a president wants to remain in power despite losing an election, they can, as long as they get the right people behind them, which is how every dictatorship works. What makes democracies different is that they have laws to stop that, and the supreme court just ruled those don't apply to the president. There is no mechanism to stop them. You can say impeachment, but the results of an impeachment against the president are as much of a foregone conclusion as a North Korean election. The trappings of democracy does not unmake a dictatorship.

We're no longer a democracy, and the only way we can ever return to being one is if we elect a string of dictators who feel disinclined to push their power as far as it can go. If we can do that long enough to get this decision overturned, we can have our democracy back.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

You can't impeach him when he officially drone strikes the vote.

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is why this election is so important. I know it's said in every election but this one may be the last free* election.

That * is there because I know that Republicans have made inroads in red states, with many secretaries of state either vowing to not verify a Biden win or not affirming that they will certify the election.

Please, for the love of democracy and our Republic, consider volunteering as an election official or as an observer.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not just the next election, either. We can't afford to have a Republican president again until this has been overturned, or the party has undergone a radical reform

"This is the most important election of our lifetime" is gonna be true for every election until the GOP stops using any power they can get to inoculate themselves from voters.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right.

-Victor Hugo

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The whole process could be foreshortened by rapidly shrinking the count of filled seats on SCOTUS. Make it dangerous to be a conservative on the bench and see how many fuckwits still decide it is a career move they see as valid.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Is it an official act to order drone strikes on over half of the supreme court? Nobody knows! Sounds like a case for the remaining justices to figure out.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

We’re no longer a democracy, and the only way we can ever return to being one is if we elect a string of dictators who feel disinclined to push their power as far as it can go

The right to bear arms is provided to protect yourself from tyranny, both foreign and domestic. Less than 250 years ago we gave Great Britain the finger.

One thing I admire about the French is their ability to remind those in power who they should be working for, forcibly.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The notion that a civilian militia could plausibly overcome the US military was outdated over 100 years ago. The only viable path toward a violent revolution in the United States is getting all or most of the military on board.

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[–] killea@lemmy.world 99 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The United States Supreme Court is corrupt and illegitimate.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're in dire need of a visit from Seal Team 6.

[–] Milksteaks@midwest.social 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Best I can do is meal team 6 aka gravy seals

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Searching for Al Quesadilla and led by Admiral Snackbar, their mission is to combat hypertension.

[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago (3 children)

How can Thomas say both anything a president says to the DOJ is an immune official act AND ALSO SAY that Jack Smith is not legitimate?

It seems Biden has carte Blanche to sic the FBI/CIA/DOJ/ST6 on Trump. His very life may depend on wielding this power. Thanks everyone.

Thomas is very experienced with cognitive dissonance

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because he doesn't care to maintain the pretense of justice. He and Scalia are tired of pretending and want to start on the outright fascism.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Scalia is doing whatever the opposite of rolling over in your grave is right about now.

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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago

He should sic them on SCOTUS instead

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Seems simple enough...

Biden's actions on the Southern border are official acts, he has immunity.

Trump's actions leading to 1/6 are not official acts, no immunity.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

According to you, a person thinking logically and operating in good faith. All an authoritarian needs now is the judge, who can be appointed by the authoritarian themselveswith little oversight, to say whatever they want to do is an official act. We have an irrefutable king again in other words

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 months ago

This reminds me of another circular argument: Anything the president does can be considered "acting presidential" simply because they're president. You might've thought that shitposting on twitter was unbecoming of a world leader, but once a president does it, it's okay for a president to do.

An argument to protect a fool from public criticism now doubles as a defense against legal action.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago

That's theoretically the structure here. The case gets sent back for the first judge to decide what acts were official, time passes, they say none of them were, an appeal happens, time passes, the appeals court agrees, an appeal happens, time passes, Trump is president so the question is moot. Or they decide they were all official to kiss the ring. Far right cabal rule America indefinitely.

The key thing they needed to do was introduce a new question to the original court. Outright declaring it all immune might cause riots and electoral consequences, but saying "it might be immune" means idiots will still think the engine of justice is moving along enough for the consequences both for Trump, the justices, and the larger fascist team to be irrelevant.

[–] TheHottub@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit this isn't right. Perfect for dictatorship.

[–] randompasta 19 points 5 months ago

Perfect setup for Trump.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 37 points 5 months ago

Outraged enough yet? No?

Expect a LOT more of this if you keep urging people to not vote this year. Because this is a tase of what’s to come.

[–] henfredemars@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

I see this upcoming election will be the final one. Nice work.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Sounds like Richard Nixon would have had very little to worry about had this Court been around fifty years ago.

Which brings us to Trump....

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Biden should dissolve the supreme court and re-appoint the 9 most activist judges possible.

They made this bed, make them sleep in it.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution,” Sotomayor wrote Monday in dissent.

“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune,” she continued. “Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”

This is so bizarre. It's just blatantly partisan & corrupt.

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"take a gratuity after dismissing a case? Immune"

It's really been a 1-2 punch of "fuck you, citizens"

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

United States of America on July 1, 2024 ceased to be a democratic republic representative of its citizens.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Someone needs to do Project 2029 figuring out all the most effective ways to abuse all of this bullshit. We need to detail how to define fascists as enemies of the state under their own rules. Figure out how to use their rules to place the nuts of every landleech in a vice and spin the wheel like we are on the Price is Right. We need to put every religious tenent on the walls of every school, starting with the Satanic Temple. Just point for point find the abuses in their entire plan, then we all make sure to kick as many of them out of congress and state and local governments as possible and start going ham on flipping every abuse like we are Jesus chasing lenders from the temple.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude we need to get through this one first, there may not be a 2029 election

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

Seriously, the US is just embarrassment upon embarrassment upon embarrassment these days.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

FFS, Presidents have ALWAYS been shielded by official acts. The real issue here today is the 6 months of delay they handed to trump.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Biden needs to order the execution of Trump.

It will be the only way to make the MAGA people understand.

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