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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 146 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One of them is a tool, another one is driven by a tool.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 122 points 3 months ago (6 children)

The worst part with all these big trucks is the bed is significantly higher requiring much more effort to actually put anything in.

You're not only looking like a dumbass you actually are one.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Honestly this. I had one of these that replaced my old Dodge van at work, and I hated it because all my equipment was much more of a pain in the ass to get in and out.

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 80 points 3 months ago (9 children)

The comparison is kinda unfair. The big truck has a wider bed, bigger tires and more power. It also seats more people. So it is able to get more load through more difficult terrain. However we can be quite sure it won't be used in that way.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 69 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I've never seen one with wear and tear and/or dirt that would indicate difficult terrain. Those only leave the city in advertisements.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's a few in the country around here. The ones with dirt on them are almost exclusively the Toyota Hilux, though

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[–] nicerdicer@feddit.org 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it won’t be used in that way.

However, there is (or was) an additional product for faking off-road activity: Spray-on mud for giving a justification to need such a car.

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[–] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My brother in law has a truck like the one on the right. That backseat area is huge. You could stop and have a picnic back there during a road trip.

I can't imagine owing it. It looks dumb to me and it's far too big for normal use. But he's a cross country hauler, so it's not a big truck to him.

And they have three kids, so I doubt he gives af about pp showmanship.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 63 points 3 months ago (55 children)

The one on the left is used by people who need to carry things. The one of the right is used by losers.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago

Left one carries stuff, right one carries fragile egoes

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[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 52 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A tax on vehicle axle weight proportional to the damage done to roads (which goes up exponentially with weight).

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Vehicle fee based on some combination of size, weight, and miles driven would be the fairest.

[–] Gingernate@programming.dev 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Miles driven is just taken care of in fuel taxes. Sales tax on size, yearly tax based on weightwould be perfect I think.

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[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago

Happens many places in Europe already.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The pp size is inversely proportional to the truck size.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 31 points 3 months ago (8 children)

that's why I ride a bike.

I could get away with a unicycle if it weren't for my MASSIVE SCHLONG requiring support and it's easier that way than getting two unis.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's a real man's truck. Air conditioned, soft suspension, big boi so scary big truck don't scare, brightest lights because corners scary, 4 seats cos wife is scary, big tyres because tools are scary, big tank because human interaction is scary.

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The thought of someone getting a 4 seater truck purely because they are so terrified of their own wife that he only feels safe when she is in the back seat of a car

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

I drove pickup trucks for years. Most people probably don't realize is how much higher the operating cost is compared to smaller vehicles, even if they know that it's generally higher. The first hybrid I bought was a Prius about a decade ago and when I finally looked at the difference in the cost of fuel and maintenance, it was not insignificant.

There's plenty of legit reasons to need a pickup but outside of that, you're just throwing your money away. Nowadays our Sienna Hybrid minivan has a hitch receiver on it so I can hook the trailer up to it if I need to haul something big. I haven't needed a truck in a long time.

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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children)

If you're worried about making the cab bigger and comfier, you don't need a truck.

There are no arguments to this and no one has a point against me here. If cab space is the concern, you need a minivan or SUV.

Blanket statement with impunity incoming. Combining these vehicles is a bad idea. For safety and efficiency. If you think this is a good idea in any possible way, you're simply incorrect.

You're just buying an SUV with a truck bed attached because your little balls say you want a "manly" vehicle.

You wouldn't put a hitch on a moped. Don't put a bed on a SUV.

Extending the length of a vehicle past the point where a hitch makes it longer than a parking space should be a "first offense your company is due down immediately" kind of offense first of all. The amount of these hitches blocking sidewalks and handicap accessibility spaces is absolutely bonkers.

Why don't we have a president type of office that doesn't mess with politics or international affairs, they just have nationwide power for common sense stuff like banning pickups simply being used as passenger vehicles, curbing attempts to overgrow parking spaces, and probably a bunch of other stuff too.

Also, I have a great idea for a whole new tax. :)

Let's make an industry out of dining these people to the point where only businesses use trucks. Regular people can rent them easily enough to move between apartments or what have you, but these should never have been general use daily drivers.

Let's just crush and compact the entire pickup truck industry to an incredibly tiny fraction of what it is now.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You wouldn’t put a hitch on a moped

My dude, I put a hitch on a scooter. My little trailer kicks ass. Well, it did before it was stolen, but that's besides the point.

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[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Trailers are great! You can tow with minivans, cars, suvs and trucks. Trailers typically are easier to load, have more capacity and can be a lot longer than a truck bed.

Contractors get most of their building supplies delivered by flat bed trucks anyways.

[–] ji17br@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago (21 children)

You are definitely wrong, there is a market for it. It’s clearly not as big as it currently is, but there are absolutely people that families and work some sort of construction or farming job where a truck is necessary, and carrying more than 3 people comfortably is also necessary. And two vehicles is also not feasible.

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[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

The bed on the left probably gets used more.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (10 children)

But the one on the left wouldn't pass US fuel economy standards, which are based on vehicle footprint since 2012.

That's the reason the Ranger etc were discontinued for a while, and when they returned were bigger than the old F-150s.

It's so the reason the small cargo vans (Nissan NV200, Ford Transit Connect, and Ram Promaster City) were all discontinued in the last 2 years. CAFE standards increase over time, and it's easier to just make bigger cars.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Its also in my opinion, a complete failure of the EPA and a disconnect from what it's true goals should be. The marketing trends show that bigger vehicles (which have more leneient standards and can guzzle more fuel) have been sold more and more since these standards, all to the benefit of oil companies selling gas to fill the bigger tanks and the benefit of auto makers enjoying higher price margins on bigger vehicles. Once again the hand of capitalism and the "free market" prioritizing profits over everything.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

A lot of people who buy trucks these days just need something that can tow a travel trailer or a boat to their favorite camp site a few times a year. It's not that they need a truck on a day to day basis, but they might need the towing capability on occasion. That's why these trucks are a weird combination of luxury sedan (with their leather seats and high end interiors) and pickup truck. Most of the time they use it like a regular car, but sometimes they might need the towing capability.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (6 children)

If it’s a “few times a year” situation that really seems better suited to renting.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Pff my fckn subi can do that and fit in a standard car park

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[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

Functional design is the only proper design.

[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One is a work tool and for men, the other one a toy and for little boys.

[–] Sternhammer@aussie.zone 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The one on the right is an “Emotional support vehicle”.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Kei trucks feel like they'd be a perfect alternative to a gator. They appear to be cheaper too even considering importation.

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[–] 474D@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If it's an actual work truck, that backseat is filled with tools that you can't have out on the bed. I do doubt it's a work truck though.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Hence why most smart labourers and contractors use a cargo van. No pesky seats blocking access and taking up space. Lots of customizeable room in the back for storage and shelves. Tall vans you can even walk inside and use a workbench. Many vans also have a decent towing capacity. Bed height is typically lower on a van, making heavier items easier to load. A lot of the same items people typically fit in truck beds can fit in the back of the van with the added benefits of being out of sight of thieves, being protected from weather and dirt, possibly even being heated or cooled if required.

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[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's not like the beds are the same size. Length sure, but don't you know that girth is what mattera for your dick replacements?

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Easy: the one on the right is compensating for mini pp

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

But one of these is actually using their truck bed.

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