Could a ghost possess a zombie created from its own body? Could this ghost-zombie hybrid, hypothetically, continue their career in law?
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Dying is no excuse to stop working, after all.
But lawyers have no soul
Devils are LE, and work with lawyers frequently enough that they manage to buy their souls rather frequently. They had souls, they just have probably sold their soul. The lawyer one should be terrified of isn't the LE lawyer, it's the CG lawyer
It's called a Lich, isn't it?
I knew lawyers had to be into some dark magic
In at least two campaigns I've been in, the wizards college's law department was always on fire and smelled of burning sulfur. Apparently they just like it that way?
Both times we ended up down there to summon an Arch devil so they could properly word a Wish for us.
Depends entirely on the limitations of the ghost's possession ability, but if the ghost can possess a living person and control them, then an animated corpse should work as well. The problem with continuing the career is that the body would continue to decay until the ghost wouldn't be able to move it any more.
The problem with continuing the career is that the body would continue to decay until the ghost wouldnβt be able to move it any more.
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Indeed, but much faster.
Szeth-son-son-Vallano, truthless of Shinovar, wore white on the day he was to become a magical flying ghost cop possessing his own corpse
I like Pratchett's zombies. Where the force of will of the soul of the person is so strong that they refuse to dis-inhabit their body. But since the subconscious did so many things on autopilot, they now are forced to do every function of their body deliberately. That's why they move so stiffly and strangely.
You know what? Go read Reaper Man. It's great. And Windle Poons was never so alive until after he died
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Can't remember the author or title.
Young American woman goes to London and gets invited to a wild party a a huge mansion. The first level is music, celebs, drugs, and sex. Slowly she realizes two things; she used to live in this mansion, and that her hostess is a vampire. She's the reincarnation of the soul that used to inhabit the vampire's body.
Duuuuuuuuuude. I want this movie.
A good short story keeps you amused for about a half hour.
A great one lingers in your mind forever.
Ok, I'd read that. Let me know if you ever remember the title!
Don't hold your breath. My brain is like Swiss cheese and there are more mice everyday
They definitely could in D&D lore. You die. Your soul goes to whatever plane of existence. Your body gets left behind and a necromancer raises it as a zombie for menial labor. Your soul comes back as a ghost to complain to a party of adventurers about how a necromancer has defiled your body and you wish to put an end to it. The bard says something stupid like "well it doesn't sound like you were using it anymore. You know what they say: one man's trash is another man's treasure."
If we're going by What We Do in the Shadows the show rules, I guess so.
Literally just watched that episode yesterday.
I want an anime of this. haha.
It'd be great; the main plot will be the ghost possessing his zombie body, so now he's the only intelligent, reasonable zombie in a zombie apocalypse world. Obviously the living are going to be skeptical, and there'll be issues with him occasionally losing control of the body...this has the makings of a great anime
I'm putting this in my next D&D campaign
Aw man this would be a great quest! My table would love it lol
Kingdom Hearts
Edit: looking at the other comments I'm glad I'm not the only one with that brainrot.
This is literally my experience of ADHD
If the zombie retains memory/personality, then I'd say that if a soul exists in the setting, that it is still in the body or has been returned to the body. Therefore no separate ghosts.
If the zombie exists only as a husk to be used as a puppet by some other intelligence or entity, then I'd say ghosts of those people make sense.
Why is the soul in the mind?
I recognize the weird state that would exist where the mind is fully copied into the ghost, having two entities with the same mind.
I still think that would be interesting fiction though.
The I, Zombie comic was so much weirder than the tv show.
OG Nier took a slightly different twist on that. Mild spoilers ahead!
Somewhen in our lifetime the plague-like white virus destroyed human bodies turning them into ash, so there was a project of dividing the soul, the Gestalt, from the body, and then joining it with an autonomous Replicant android.
This project failed, and we, as a player, discover a curious consequence: Replicants conserved\built themselves a human-like society, the one we find ourself many replicant generations ago, not even knowing or caring if they are humans.
But at the same time these replicants are utterly afraid of catching a black scrawl - that's when Gestalts-souls, traversing the ground as black spectral beings, sometimes even agressive, consume the replicant as it was designed to, covering them in dark patterns, and slowly turning them under control of these stray souls, some of them even vile and powerful like demons.
You as Nier and the Shadowlord, your arch nemesis, are a Replicant and a Gestalt of one person, fighting to keep your transforming sister on your own side, while two of your worlds inescapably collide and destroy each other.
That's not the most dramatic reveal there, so you'd be fine playing it even after that.
Don't understand.
They're taking souls and putting them into androids.
You're one of those androids
Your body got left behind and is still alive.
One of the villains (I'm assuming, I haven't played Nier) is your soulless body
Not exactly.
A body is dying of a plague, so we pick the soul out and plan to put it into an android. We failed to put it, and now souls and androids are two different kins fighting each other. Androids are scared of souls overtaking them.
MC and MV are an android and a soul of one person.
Kingdom Hearts kinda had this with the Heartless (from a personβs heart) and the Nobodies (from a personβs body).
Love this idea.
If the zombie's body still has some link to the soul such that it could see and react to the ghost, they could make an extremely awkward yet dangerous team.
"Come over this way, buddy! Brains over here!"
"Brainsh?" Shuffle, shuffle.
"Yup, see?" The ghost points triumphantly at a hamster cage. "Lots of juicy little brains to eat!"
"Awww... Tired of mowsh brainsh! WANT HOOMAN BRAINSH!"
Zombie takes another vicious swipe at the ghost but finds only air.
"Why can no eat you brainsh again?"
"As I've explained all evening, I'm ethereal, not really here, sorry, friend. It's mouse or nothing."
The zombie's shoulders slump in disappointment, but he turns to the hamster cage. The hamsters peer back, vaguely uneasy.
"C'mere cute liddle mowshes..."
Clang, squeak, munch, munch, munch.
This is essentially one* of the Kingdom Hearts plot threads. Sora sacrifices himself and becomes a Heartless (ghost) in KH1, but since he has such a strong heart, the husk he leaves behind becomes the Nobody Roxas (zombie).
Does it count if the ghost is bound to a suit of armour and the zombie is animated by some random lab animal's soul..?
One of the characters in the βwhat we do in the shadowsβ show is a vampire whose ghost inhabits a doll.
Only if the person had multiple-personality disorder. You need at least one consciousness per entity.
Depends on the zombie type - if it's raw instinct only, there is no higher level of consciousness required, right?
So your generic shambling, biting, non-speaking but still groaning zombie would work in this scenario I'd think.
Is a zombie considered conscious?
I'm going to say yes. In order to become a zombie a body must be dead, and generally the soul becomes a ghost after death. Zombies aren't related to the person they were, they're just a corpse that's been animated.
Unless they're the original Romero zombie, which are corpses animated by souls from an overflowing Hell, which might imply they went back to their original body.
I don't believe there is objective official lore on the cosmology of Romero. (Romero seems distinctly uninterested in that sort of approach to storytelling). I know it says so on the poster of Dawn Of The Dead, but that seems more like poetic ominous tone setting rather than a literal lore dump. Everything inside the movie is speculation by characters who don't have answers.
I don't think the above issue really matters too much, though. I'd say that if we accept that souls exist in the Romero zombie universe, then the fact that zombies can retain memories and habits from their lives shows the soul is retained.
I'd say, as a baseline, any setting where zombies can retain some of their personality/memories means that if a soul exists, it is in the body and shouldn't be able to become a ghost.
I can accept a setting where zombies only exist as reanimated husks being puppeted in some way as also having ghosts of those people.
"ooooveerrruuuulllleeeed"
/eats brains