i love saying that germany should have been turned into israel, but ultimately ethnostates shouldn’t exist. if the USSR won the nuclear weapon race, Stalin wouldn’t have had to stop at berlin and we’d have a multiethnic germany and Palestine and Jewish ppl would thrive in both

but in reality germany should have given reparations to Jewish people in the form of massive tracts of land and have full equality with all other ppl there, becoming full members of german society for the first time in history. Jewish ppl had a unique position in europe as an oppressed people and giving them a state outside of europe and basically telling them to gtfo kind of shows how they were seen as “not authentically european”

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

i love saying that germany should have been turned into israel, but ultimately ethnostates shouldn’t exist.

While this is true, I can also understand why Jews after WW2 might think "Maybe what we need is our own state with its own military."

That being said, my limited understanding was that South Germany voted strongly against the Nazis, so a new Israel should have been carved out of Northern Germany, connecting from the Netherlands to Poland, the 2 countries with the highest concentrations of Jews in pre-WW2 Europe. This would have opened things up logistically, culturally, and diplomatically for Jews who wanted to return to places they had been removed from due to the Nazis. Making Germans dependent on this new Israel for access to the sea might also have taught them a valuable lesson in humility.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s always hilarious when you bring this up and Germans get extremely upset. Like dog you are already supporting this but elsewhere. What about this makes you so angry in particular 🤔🤔

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

grill-broke : “Mein Gott! But ze untersmench! Zey must be useful to ze great aryan! No more of ze questions, untersmench!”

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

Nah I don't like this, it compares Gaza to Nazis.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Unironically I think the land we cleared of Germans to give to Poland and Russia would have been better as a Jewish state if we really had to have one. On top of using the land of the people being punished for the Holocaust instead of an unrelated third party's land, it's around where most European Jews had lived already anyway.

Of course that doesn't take into account that Europen countries supported the Zionist project precisely because it got all the Jews to leave Europe.

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

TBH, the idea that there must be a Jewish state strikes me as a loud and open admission that if the St.Louis was out there today, people across the world would still insist they be turned away.

[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Right now the policies most of the NATO-aligned powers have towards boats full of people fleeing war zones to claim asylum is to ram the boats and shove the survivors in prison camps.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There was significant majority of non-German population in case of Reclaimed Lands to the Poland there were 5,1 million people of which only 500.000 were Germans and 4,6 million were either Poles or minorities close to Poles like Kaszubs or Silesians.
I don't have the exact data about East Prussia but around 1900 over half of population spoke Polish as first language and good chunk of rest Russian or Lithuanian. Later that % dimished significantly because of very active germanisation there. In 1944-45 population diminished severely because Germans and volksdeutches there got pumped condensated red scare and were running away like rats.

In short, on the western Reclaimed Land you would build same opressive entity you have now in Palestine and in East Prussia it would be hellish hot spot unless socialist and integrated into Warsaw pact, which was not an option west would accept.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I really don’t think Jews would be treating Poles the same way they treat Palestinians. But in 1945, when this process would have taken place, many of the areas ceded to Poland had very little Polish population. And most that were there were in Upper Silesia, so Poland could have just kept that. The rest of the territory ceded to Poland was primarily repopulated by Poles fleeing the Belarusian and Ukrainian land Poland had stolen in 1921, not Poles that were already there.

Regardless, that’s if a Jewish state was really necessary, which idk.

[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 months ago

Can't believe you'd do the gdr dirty like this

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

For some reason I'm reminded of a wacky-ass documentary I saw once called CowJews and Indians.

[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What a ride

The Moral Question: Can Murder Have Homeopathic Dosage Levels?

One of the sentences of all time

I have a thought. If the Germans owe me for 65 years worth of back rent—and I owe the Native Americans for 65 years worth of back rent—why don’t I let the Native Americans collect directly from the Germans? Cut out the middleman!

It's rent all the way down

I need to find a copy of this documentary

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Send him an email and he'll give you a copy.

Edit: Okay I only know you can do that because a friend of mine did that recently and through correspondence Marc divulged to my friend that he was planning a follow-up documentary. If everyone emails him for a copy, he might go through with it.

Do so at your own discretion.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

I don't get it; I thought CowJews was just milk?

[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

We should have given them zion utah.

[–] Tychoxii@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

austria side-eye-1

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

De Holy Landstuhl