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[–] riskable@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Mechanical Keyboard Community:

"I need to see these $233 switches!" (Drools)

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 93 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The last straw with consoles for me was when they all started charging money regularly just to play online multiplayer games.

My Steam Deck makes for a better console-like experience than any of the major consoles, and more. I have zero interest in going back to Sony or especially Nintendo's scams.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It blows my mind that the greatest trick Valve ever pulled was releasing a console that relies solely on backwards compatibility. There are zero games released for the steam deck.

[–] univers3man@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

To be fair, there was 1 game released directly for the Steam Deck; Aperture Desk Job.

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Not only that, the Steam Deck actually has worse compatibility compared to a normal Windows PC, but the PC library is so extensive (and has so many emulators) that it doesn't matter. You still have access to more games than anyone on a normal console ever could, and you can play most singleplayer console games for free. I played Mario Odyssey all the way through on my PC and it ran great.

[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

And even better: people not valve will actually go and work to make the games that aren't compatible working. For free.

[–] 8baanknexer@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

It's not quite strictly worse; some older games are easier to run in wine than natively. But your point still stands.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I really wish they would release a new Steam Controller with the Deck's inputs.

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[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 146 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I could buy a steam deck and a shitload of games on sale for that

[–] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

That’s what I did when my PC died and I’d do it again given the choice

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 61 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I love how Sony learned nothing from the PS3 launch price.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 days ago (13 children)

The launch PS3 was arguably Sony’s last great console (namely hardware backwards compatibility); I choose to die on this hill. 🫡

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It also had the "other OS" feature! It's strange that the PS3 remains the only big console to have that feature, given how difficult its architecture is to work with. The modern consoles are all much closer to just being prebuilt PCs and none of them have it.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The primary reason was that sony wanted to take advantage of lower import taxes in the EU by classifying it as a general-purpose computer. Thats why they also abandoned OtherOS after the EU ruled that the PS3 was not a computer but a game console.

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[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

They don't have it for the same reason Sony later removed it from the PS3: letting users run arbitrary code on your console provides a massive attack surface for piracy and jailbreaking exploits.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This bad boy can run so many PS2 games

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[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 67 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They could have given us full backwards compatibility for that.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago

It would be an instant buy for me if it has full backwards compatibility, and I'd let them tack on another hundo for psp/vita games. That's basically what my Steam deck is. Every console emulated and PC games.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 32 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Personally I decided about 6 years ago that I wouldn't buy another non-portable game console.

At this stage I just don't see any reason to drop $600+ on a console when I could put that $600~ towards upgrading my PC and get vastly more value for my money.

So as far as I'm concerned, the only consoles worth looking at at all right now at the Nintendo Switch, which I have and love, and the Steam Deck, which would offer me my PC gaming experience with something it lacks: portability.

Aside from that, I personally couldn't give 2 shits what's happening in the world of XBox or Playstation these days.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

My Steam Deck has been my primary gaming device for about 2 years now. I absolutely love it. I’ve put a lot of my switch games on it for the convenience. I love my OLED switch though and I wish I had the OLED deck.

Still, it’s amazing enough that everything else I have is collecting dust. Been going through all the MegaMan games recently. I’m on 8 at the moment, the only one I never played in the main series.

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[–] ours@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Plus us patient gamers can enjoy those PS "exclusives" when they release on PC.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Honestly, Sony really sees itself as a premium(ish) brand that puts a heavy emphasis on novelty with a bit of sophistication thrown in. They also see Nintendo as a kid's toy company. So, the expense (and some of the scarcity) is entirely the point.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 5 days ago

Honestly don't know what they thought was going to happen. They've had some misfires lately with the PS5 Pro not being needed at all (the PS5 is a decent bit of kit, and certainly capable of handling everything this gen can throw at it), selling a remote access tablet/controller that doesn't connect to their own cloud service, and even they've stopped talking about Concord.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Why would you need 3 switches when you could get a 1.5km line of loafs of bread with that money?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Do you get cheaper bread meters going for the cheaper mass produced loaves or by going for the longer length but more artisan breads like baguettes? Or maybe bread sticks?

Also, does anyone make linked bread (like sausages), to increase the speed one can deploy it in a straight line?

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 19 points 5 days ago

28 Blåhajar + a Mini one.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Did a quick one to mimic my current “console killer” pc that sits in my living room, runs Bazzite 6700 XT

This is new stuff, one of the benefits of PC gaming is that you can roll builds. So if you had a gaming pc in the last 5 years you're looking at a £450 upgrade, not a £700 one if you're a PS5 player. Or even hitting up used for things like cases etc

Using a bench of Horizon Zero Dawn for the GPU

2k bench taken from techspot

so doing what the PS5 pro will be and using an upscaller like FSR/DLSS to hit 4k

4K is in the 50s, but again scalers used brings it to 60.

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 4600G 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor £87.70 @ NeoComputers
Motherboard Biostar B450MHP Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £50.99 @ Ebuyer
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory £16.48 @ Amazon UK
Storage Western Digital Blue SA510 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £99.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card £449.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Thermaltake S100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case £34.99 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply £42.99 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £783.12
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-12 08:02 BST+0100

I have played GOW as well as a ton of other games this year at a resolution of 2K 144fps HDR on my machine without any issues or stutters. Also don't have to wait for a republish that I have to rebuy to enjoy older games at 4k 140hz currently playing AC4 and it looks amazing.

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (15 children)

Genuine question, could you make a PC that can perform as well as the PS5 Pro for $700?

I’ve built many computers for work over the years, but never my own gaming PC. I’m starting to plan one and I have no idea what I do and do not need, performance-wise. Like, I know I don’t need a 4090, but how cheap is too cheap to get good performance?

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 days ago

I think someone just did it in this thread, but something else to consider is that a PC usually enables you to buy games much more cheaply, multiplayer is not behind a subscription, the catalogue is basically infinite and it also enables so many other activities than just gaming.

[–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Its about price to performance value. With same value you can build an equivalent PC. Which won't be banned and turned into a brick on their own whim. Many users very unjustly banned and were not able to connect to internet and game online. For the same price you could do more to with PC. Pros out weighs the cons

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[–] accideath@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

If you're willing to buy at least some PC parts used (like the GPU and maybe CPU) you could probably build a very competitive machine for the same price. Maybe even something better. With new parts probably not yet, necessarily. But of course, that depends a little on your local market. Here in Germany for example, a new RX 6800 (the equivalent GPU, according to IGN) alone would be roughly ⅔ of a PS5 Pro, while a used one is a little less than half the price. You probably need to wait a generation or so for new PC parts to be price competitive (as you do with almost every new console release).

However, if you already have an existing PC that you could upgrade (For example you have an earlier generation Ryzen processor and could upgrade to Ryzen 5000 with just a BIOS update and you could sell your current CPU and GPU to get some of your money back when buying something more powerful), you could likely easily beat it. That's the actual power of having a PC. You can stretch $700/800€ quite far, if you don't have to buy a new case, RAM, PSU, storage and/or motherboard.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 20 points 5 days ago (24 children)

... can you actually make a PC with comparable performance these days? What does a console-level GPU cost these days?

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (9 children)

You have to consider the versatility of a pc to truly compare them. The pc will have better alternative uses like web browsing, the pc is very easy and fairly cheap to increase storage, you may be able to upgrade just some RAM or GPU to keep up rather than buying a new console. You'll also have access to more games and more modding opourtunities. You can still use a controller on pc although you are often at a disadvantage in most FPS style games.

If you just want to game a console may be better or easier but overall a pc is usually the better investment in the long run.

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[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you game online that'll also be an extra $400+ over the life span of console. So the real question is can you build a PC for $1100+

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Also the controllers break constantly and Sony just raised the price on those.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You can buy 4 used switches, chip them, and buy accessories for them with 700$ available

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Buy 4 switches Cluster them into a super computer Emulate Ps5 … Profit!

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Isn't the Switch $300? 🤔

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Realistically, how much VRAM can you obtain for $699 after all the other parts?

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

But can it run Linux?

Honestly if it was a open ecosystem with powerful hardware that wouldn't unreasonable. Also if the games were cheaper it would be fine as often consoles are sold at a loss.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Yes, actually. Hacked Switches can run Linux and even Android.

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