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I’m torn. Both Galadriel and Sauron say the other is a threat to Middle-earth. One has to be wrong, so whom am I to trust? Should I trust the Dark Lord who attempted to topple the White City of Gondor, dominate all life, and attempt to stay in power for eternity? Or do I trust the Elf Queen representing the coalition of Men and Elves who defeated Sauron when he tried to enslave the Free Peoples… but could maybe do more meet-and-greets?

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[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 97 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Both sides are bad because the elves had rings and Sauron had a ring. See, both the same!

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

both ~~sides~~ teams are bad because they both support genocide.

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[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Look, everyone is saying Saruman is just as bad as Sauron, but here's the thing:

Yes he is moving towards Sauron strategically on specific issues, but these issues are important to his base and he has to throw them a bone.

Yes he is illegally killing Rohan civilians, but nobody claimed the defense of the regions west of his Stone Circle system would be painless.

Yes his armies look and foreign policy look eerily similar to Sauron's, but he promises he's trying to stop him actually.

You purists in the Shire keep saying it's not necessary to destroy the whole forest of Fangorn but he got the endorsement of Lurtz, so he clearly knows more about politics than you do.

Anyone serious understands that resisting Sauron means voting for Saruman.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Excellent job committing to the bit!

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[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She wants to fill your farmland with trees! Useless trees! No more taters or pipe weed! Good luck digging a new burrow with all those roots. Speaking of roots, did you hear about the Ents? All they do is destroy our towns, ripping our dams apart so they can drink all our water. Horrible, horrible creatures, and they will tread all over your flower gardens if you let this self-centered "elf queen" have her way!

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[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The twist is that halfling votes don't matter because Eriador is a solid Galadriel state. The only votes that matter are votes from small enclave of erratic Men in South Gondor

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Goddamn, it's always fucking Gondor, isn't?

[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

The race of M*n, who above all else desire power

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Why is the hero Galadriel bragging about being endorsed by Grima Wormtongue and the Witch King of Amgmar? And what happened to all the Haradrim?thinking-about-it

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[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Looks like the orcs are out in force tonight

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[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago (35 children)

Genocide propaganda. Why do you support, or at least not have a problem with, the extermination of the Palestinian people?

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Was Galadriel pledging strong endless support for a genocide? I don't remember that part of the books if I'm honest.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Hmm, let me guess, you're voting for Grima Wormtongue?

[–] fox@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Didn't Galadriel straight up say that if she were given the power of the Ring she'd turn into a tyrant? Like, if the choices are Sauron (tyrant, given the power) and Galadriel (tyrant, given the power) it seems most correct to pick Frodo (trying to unmake the source of corruptive and destroying power).

Like, if anyone wielding the Ring for any purpose will be subordinate to its will no matter their intentions, and ultimately will subjugate all others, then the dichotomy is not which wielder, but whether the Ring should exist or not.

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I'd vote for Frodo, since he's ignoring all of the ridiculous political bullshit and actually trying to do a revolutionary act by building a fellowship and working together with his friends to destroy the source of the evil rather than fighting over who is the best one to control the evil.

I swear it's like you people haven't even read the books!

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[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I know the article is a threadbare simile, but it more than misses the whole point of Galadriel's character in the books/movie. For even someone like Galadriel who meets this beyond-human ideal of beauty, purity and "goodness", the power of the One Ring to dominate life is so corrupting that it would simply turn her into a new Sauron. Which is why after failing to resist temptation, Galadriel leaves Middle Earth and goes into the West. If there's one point that is hammered in repeatedly throughout the Lord of the Rings, it's that such absolute power cannot be used for good, despite anyone's best intentions, and the only recourse is for it to be destroyed.

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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You should focus all your attention on the genocide of the horsemen of Rohan, and absolutely ignore the much larger genocide of the people of Gondor because they should have just surrendered to mordor in the beginning to have peace. Also mordor didn't encourage that other genocide to distract from their genocide at all.

Signed

A concerned citizen from somewhere outside mordor like St. Brandywinesburg.

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Was worried that the actual Onion had posted Liberalism, but thankfully it's some knockoff

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[–] janitor@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was under impression that Sauron was for order through subjugation, not chaos.

But in any case that would just make the allegory more fitting.

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This post is a good reminder why I need to sort by Local and not All.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay but the real question being asked is "which of the two should we give the One Ring too?"

And the answer may surprise you!

[–] orvorn@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 months ago

Literally the message of Tolkien's writing, yes. The good guys sought to destroy power, not wield it.

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