Yup. Congrats 15 million Democrats and progressives that didn't vote, you just gave us the greenlight for Democrats to never run a imperfect Democratic candidate.
Congrats! You did it!
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I’m really getting tired of this narrative. It completely invalidates that +73M people voted for Trump. More than 73 million people thought he was the right choice. It’s less important that Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden and more important that more than 73 million brain dead morons exist in this country and there’s an extremely high chance that at least 25% will procreate and continue our Idiocracy long beyond our lifetimes.
Well too damn bad because it's true. Those 73 million were always going to vote this way, every Democrat knew that, every progressive knew that. They always vote for a Republican even if that guy is a convicted felon and rapist, we all knew that going in and they did exactly that because scorpions are going to scorpion.
Ever Democrat and progressive knew the stakes, they knew what the opposition was going to do and they didn't show the fuck up.
Hell no, these fascist condoning, racist condoning jerks get a lot of blame here as well they should.
And it will have repercussions for decades and decades. Many, even many younger people, will now not see any changes in the overall makeup of SCOTUS in their lifetime.
It's crazy. He was already tied for sixth most SC justices appointed (with seven other presidents). If Alito and Thomas retire and he replaces them, he'll only be behind Washington, FDR, and Taft. His numbers for other judicial appointments were already very high as well.
People really do not appreciate how long we'll be feeling the consequences of this if we survive this term and move on to someone sane.
It's not 15 million, it's a few tens of thousands in a handful of swing states. Millions more Harris voters in New England, New York, and California would have had the same result.
Yes it is. Don't misconstrue the results.
Trump is currently winning the popular vote (73m to 69m). A vast majority of total votes are counted so it won't go up more than another million or so from there.
Trump lost the popular vote in 2020, 81 million to 74 million.
Trump's margin in swing states is currently well over 100,000.
Trump's total vote count basically didn't change at all, but there are currently 12 MILLION people who just didn't show up to vote for democrats. Sure the electoral college was "decided" by a few hundred thousand, but this was a collosal collapse of democrat voter turnout nationwide.
What they're saying is that 12 million more votes in States where Democrats already won wouldn't have changed a thing, it's the Democrats that didn't show up in swing States that are to blame.
It's not that it would have changed anything, it's about the message it sends regarding how voters really felt about the Democrats and the election in general. Sure it may have been "decided" by a few ten thousands in a few swing states but there was a huge nationwide collapse of support.
It would have won the popular vote, which many on Lemmy are far more concerned about than who wins or loses overall.
I think people are pissed that she lost the popular vote because it shows the extent of her loss and how much people didn't care in general, but the truth is she only needed the popular vote in some specific states in order to win and that's much less than the 12m votes people keep talking about.
The election once again crushed popular Democrat talking points. Republicans can win the popular election, good turnout isn't a bad thing for Republicans, and spending more leads to winning.
The general turnout wasn't good though, Trump didn't get as many votes as he did in the past either.
Except the swing states, which almost all had record turnout.
...I think the people who voted for Trump probably played the bigger part though.
not true. trump's 2020 numbers were largely the same as his 2024 numbers.
harris got 14,000,000 less votes than biden did in 2020.
Look at swing state votes. Harris actually did better in some swing states than Trump did in 2020. And Trump beat all of Biden's 2020 swing state totals.
The rest of the votes are from states that don't matter thanks to the electoral college. You can have all the pop vote you like, doesn't matter if you don't win the EC.
So yes true, the Trump voters have everything to do with, you know, electing Trump.
She didn't do better in swing states tho, if that were true Trump wouldn't have won in those swing states.
In the swing states, Harris did just about as well or better than Biden. Trump just got more, even more than Biden in 2020.
Wisconsin
Biden 2020: 1.63 million
Harris 2024: 1.667 million
Trump 2024: 1.697 million
Michigan
Biden 2020: 2.804 million
Harris 2024: 2.72 million
Trump 2024: 2.802 million
Georgia
Biden 2020: 2.473 million
Harris 2024: 2.543 million
Trump 2024: 2.66 million
Pennsylvania
Biden 2020: 3.459 million
Harris 2024: 3.352 million
Trump 2024: 3.491 million
Nevada and Arizona are taking their sweet time finishing counts but the story looks similar. 2024 Trump beats even 2020 Biden. So it's not so much that they didn't turn out for Harris, it's that more turned out for Trump.
I would argue that this data shows that this election result is what the American people want. They either didn't mind it happening and didn't vote against it, or they actively voted for it. Democracy in action. It just kinda really sucks that this is what you guys chose.
I was not trying to refute that Trump is what the American voters chose.
The sad truth is Biden only beat Trump because of covid and there was no pandemic this year. Biden was always a terrible candidate and it took a disease that killed a million Americans to get him elected, didnt he try like four times before this and never make it past a primary? After all that he decided to slow walk through this yeaes primaries despite critisicm, then drop out after they couldn't be ran again. Biden has A LOT of blame for this election.
There you go showing data that refutes popular position. Harris lost because people didn't vote for her, not that people did vote for the orange man.
In before "[liberal judge X] should have retired so Biden could have nominated their replacement". You all know damn well it would have gotten held up in the Senate because "election year". Yes, Schumer wouldn't have blocked it like McConnell and VP Harris could have broken the tie since a simple majority is all that's needed to confirm, but there was absolutely no guarantee Manchin and/or Sinema would have played ball.
Yeah so why bother at all, right?
Your opponent doesn't have to do anything if you don't even try.
as critical as i usually am of the democrat’s strategy of doing nothing, i think it was the right call here. if the appointment of a new justice did get blocked (which it very likely would have), then that would translate to yet another justice being appointed by trump. and that’s simply too big a risk to take
SCOTUS appointments are the longest lasting consequences of a president being elected, and should be one of the highest considerations. But I guess the price of Doritos and a fucking squirrel won out this year.
SCOTUS has been McConnell's main focus his entire career for this very reason. And, unfortunately, he's been extremely successful. It will have consequences for decades if not generations.
SCOTUS already green-lit Trump's ability to simply remove the undesirable justices, why wait for them to retire?
They don’t even have to use unconventional routes to remove judges from the SCOTUS, all they have to do is impeach. ‘But, they don’t have the numbers in the Senate!’, once a few congressmen fall out windows, everyone else will rubber stamp whatever else the GOP wants, to include impeaching leftist judges and expelling leftist congressmen who don’t fall in line.
Yep. I’ll be genuinely shocked if Congress doesn’t start to look a whole fucking lot like the Duma.
They look pretty duma to me already.
Okay, but that's the same "unconventional routes" with extra steps. What's the point of doing it indirectly instead of directly?
Total control, they can impeach every democratic judge and expel any and every democratic congressman/woman if they don’t play ball. And you still have the appearance of following the constitution.
There is no fucking maybe here. You, your children, your grandkids and their kids, at least, will have, not only a conservative majority, but a fully unqualified, sycophantic trump cultist majority. Period.
America got the late stage 4 diagnosis last Tuesday. We won't spontaneously combust the next day, but we are effectively dead (as a united states) at this point- the democracy experiment was ultimately a failure. We couldn't keep the Republic.
I guess it will be safe to kill all of them then...
Thanks Democratic party for being such an out of touch dog shit party. You caused this.
They'll still blame everyone except themselves, they already are.
Yayyyy…… can’t wait for even more rights to be dismantled…… (not)