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Hello everyone! Hestia here with a new Megathread! Years ago, before I transitioned and when I was still in college I took an anthropology class. My favorite part of the class was when we were covering different gender customs across the globe and got to make a report on one of them. I can't remember exactly which one I chose for that project, but what I do remember is a map with different pins scattered on it with various forms of gender-queerness. I decided to track it down and share it with you folks!

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=8.016975588774075%2C64.4248907814756&z=2&mid=1zDWxhBN5aOofwpE-FkZWQsiFDlE

Edit: you have to open this in a browser, if you're on a phone it will automatically try to open it in Google maps and won't bring up the info.

This map provides a brief summary of these genders, but does not go in depth. If you find any you're interested in, feel free to do some further research and share your findings here. I'll pin a comment to this post you can attach them. I'm going to share a couple that I found interesting and decided to look further into myself, both of them are non-binary and native american in origin.

The first one I want to talk about is the Winkte, which is a third gender role that was particulatly notable in the Lakota tribe The Winkte are seen as half-men, half-women, and considered sacred. They are typically AMAB and historically have served unique roles in matters of romance and matchmaking and often served as intermediaries for prospecting couples and their families. They also participated in war parties, functioning primarily as witnesses to battle and as doctors to care for the injured. They were also seen as seers, able to forsee paths to victory.

https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-winkte-and-the-hundred-in-hand/

This next one I'm going to talk about seems mostly local to the Zuni people called the "Lhamana" and I find the Zuni culture to be particularly fascinating, even just doing a cursory glance at it.

Gender roles were well defined in Zuni culture, but the Zuni also valued the concept of a "middle" as it represented stability. This originates from their creation myth, which I won't go in detail here because I don't feel qualified to summarize it, but it's in the link down below.

The Zuni culture is pretty neat and they don't refer to gender when talking about children. They believed that gender wasn't an inborn trait but something you acquired as you approached puberty. I wish this was the western approach, but alas.

As children approach puberty they begin to differentiate through different hair styles or clothing choices. AFAB Lhamana would grind corn and make a bowl of stew when they get their first period. There's probably some cultural significance to this, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on it right now. AMAB Lhamana would start to wear dresses once they hit puberty and start performing women's work. Both AMAB and AFAB Lhamana were allowed to switch between male and female gender roles as they pleased.

https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/The-Middle-Gender-in-Zuni-Religion

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 21 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Gender research findings go here

[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 hours ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_Delaware#Treatment_of_gender

More of linguistic interest, Pidgin Delaware, a simplified amalgam of local, indigenous languages used for trade with Europeans, used two linguistic genders. Unlike European languages, however, the genders aren't masculine and feminine but rather animate and inanimate.

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[–] AshenWolf@hexbear.net 4 points 8 minutes ago

I got gendered correctly today. Had someone calling out "sir, sir", trying to ask me for directions. I turn to face them, and they look confused. "Sir, Ma'am, I can't tell with the mask on". I took my shot, put on my best fem voice. I had mastered the talk-no-jutsu, my voice training was about to pay off. I looked at the person, and proceeded to ignore most of the training, just changing pitch and speaking more softly. It still worked, I got called ma'am. They later apologized for getting it wrong, and I just said no worries. No eyebows. No stare. No disgust.

I've done it, I've won :keikaku:

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 5 points 1 hour ago

Miaut voran mit festem Schritt sabo

Arbeitercatgirls, kommt ihr mit? catgirl-salute

Wir sind die queere Garde des Proletariats left-unity-4

Wir sind die queere Garde des Proletariats trans-hammer-sickle

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

surgery stuff (positive)finally argued my case hard enough that the surgeon I'm going with says he feels comfortable moving forward with insurance authorization

lost respect for him over the last month, but I don't really need to respect him for him to do surgery. I'll take the W

now back to electrolysis once again. πŸ˜…


I've also learned all the hiragana and katana characters and can remember them without reference transshork-happy

need to learn more words and kanji now. it was really intimidating to finally start learning japanese, but it's really not so bad once I got used to it. I can slowly start reading words in media I like and that's so exciting, even if it takes me so long for now

[–] rtstragedy@hexbear.net 1 points 12 minutes ago

unsolicited and frankly overbearing excitement about learning japanesei found some success with anki + flashcards in the beginning after learning the hira/kata. there was a deck on anki web (or was it anki connect? you can just download them) that had voice lines and slowly introduced kanji and vocabulary, so you're learn full sentences. on the back side there'd be furigana.

i soon moved on to watching a lot of shows with japanese subs and a dictionary open (using the mpv script to make flashcards and auto-clipboard the text subs for faster lookups). i watched Non Non Biyori (for easy language), then Bocchi this way (only saw it with English subs for the first time last Friday...) as well as re-watched a couple seasons of Kaguya-sama (this one was much harder language...). it was kind of both incredible and also kinda depressing that a single 20 minute episode turned into a 3 hour affair, but i think when I finally got the jokes I appreciated it way more...

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 2 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

spoilerYou have to do electrolysis again? Ouchie. I did not expect that after already having so much hair removal!

Congratulations on moving forward with the surgery. So glad you got a surgeon that is on board for you to get the body you’re comfortable in.

[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I saw my mom for the first time in a few months today, and she asked me if I'm aware I'm starting to look just like her and that seeing me was basically like seeing herself catgirl-huh

Officially in the estrogen making you look like your mom gang

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 3 points 21 minutes ago

I still look like my dad but more and more yassified and femmed up at least. I do a lot of the same stuff my mom does which is horrifying, lean my head back the same way she does to read, same jokes, etc.

[–] whatnots@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago

i love my fatness! i love my queerness! my fat queer body is beautiful and sexy!!!! kirby-spin

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 hours ago

I'm no longer a kissless virgin, just a regular virgin 😎

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 8 points 3 hours ago

Once again just woke up and drinking coffee

[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

she zuck my mark till i erberg. this reads like a fucking eco post

[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 7 points 2 hours ago

she jack on my dor till I sey

[–] Hime@hexbear.net 10 points 3 hours ago

I did a module on social anthro and women's history and it covered similar bits. Best part of uni and it was only a side module.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 21 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My gender today is girlrotting fail witch.

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 10 points 3 hours ago
[–] Eco@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago

i love my wife ngl

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I love third sexing in anthropology. Progressive win

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I read this is sexting and was very confused. But yeah awesome topic!

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Ugh I was aware of that book but not the contents :( Tempted to write books about cis people's identity while invalidating it the whole time but I don't I won't be able to out do:

CW: misgendering and further invalidating transphobic cis nonsenseNeither man nor woman (but actually men who just dress garishly as women)
Thanks for making me aware but goddamn.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How do you talk without your vocal chords deciding to randomly sound like they're sick for the next 24 hours sometimes

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How do you talk with your vocal chords without your vocal chords deciding to randomly sound like they're sick for the next 24 hours sometimes

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think you might be hooped, girlie

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 2 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago) (1 children)

omg my western canadian slang slipped out noooooo

To be hooped = "to be beset with unfortunate circumstances that seem difficult or impossible to overcome; screwed"

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 2 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

This is almost as bad as when I say taco like a Minnesotan or when I let "beaking off" out or bavvin'

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 1 points 1 minute ago* (last edited 30 seconds ago)

Yeah I'm cooked but I was hoping it's just a skill issue!

edit: oops meant to reply to the previous comment but whatever!

[–] sweet_pecan@hexbear.net 11 points 5 hours ago

i had "lady" like not only are you misgendering me, i feel both old and condescended to too. a triple! why wont people stop. sob.

A while ago, I had been flirting with a girl for a few months. We finally got to meet up about a year ago. I felt all my attraction drain out of me when she said she 20 years old. I'm so sorry but you're so, so fucking young.

[–] sweet_pecan@hexbear.net 8 points 5 hours ago

i love learning about anthropology, i dont do it enough

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