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This makes her “strategy” even more baffling than before. How do you know you are down the entire time and do absolutely nothing about policy?

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[–] asg101@hexbear.net 136 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They got the victory they wanted, muting and eliminating any progressive elements in their wing of the corporate party. Winning the presidency was secondary to crushing dissent from the left.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm currently researching to write an article about this exact thing. I heard that they were literally getting consulting from current UK Labor Party people. I think it was intentional that they sent Bill Clinton and Richie Torres to Michigan. I think they wanted to lose the Muslim vote and pick up imaginary embarrassed suburban women that the data wouldn't show, even if it really existed. Sort of a leap of faith.

I think they were trying to do a Starmerite purge. The nonprofit-killing bill and the antizionism=antisemitism bills were supposed to be the final nail in the coffin

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[–] Isopod_Activities@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Brat Girl Summer never ended.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

We now live in the superposition between Brat Girl Summer and White Man Winter

[–] someone@hexbear.net 98 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How do you know you are down the entire time and do absolutely nothing about policy?

Because her superiors on Wall Street don't care what party wins, just that policies never change.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Years ago, one of my personal moments of radicalization was realizing just how many entities donate to both parties

carlin-pog

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. People would defend it by saying they were "hedging their bets" or "being pragmatic." Which sounds like a solid take. But then I kinda had this epiphany that took the form of a question. "Maybe it's because they know the outcome doesn't matter and they're just funding the theater of the election, rather than trying to get a particular outcome?"

[–] miz@hexbear.net 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Li: At the moment, the Chinese the party state has proven an extraordinary ability to change. I mean, I make the joke: “in America you can change the political party, but you can’t change the policies. In China you cannot change the party, but you can change policies.” So, in the past 66 years, China has been run by one single party. Yet the political changes that have taken place in China in these past 66 years have been wider, and broader, and greater than probably any other major country in modern memory.

Pilger: So in that time China ceased to be communist. Is that what you’re saying?

Li: Well, China is a market economy, and it’s a vibrant market economy. But it is not a capitalist country. Here’s why: there’s no way a group of billionaires could control the Politburo as billionaires control American policy-making. So in China you have a vibrant market economy, but capital does not rise above political authority. Capital does not have enshrined rights. In America, capital — the interests of capital and capital itself — has risen above the American nation. The political authority cannot check the power of capital. That’s why America is a capitalist country, and China is not.

from https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 91 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess this is the answer to how her campaign spent 1.5 billion in 15 weeks.

that's what it was meant to do: acquire a shitload of dough and funnel it through the apparatus for a nice generous skimming off the top by "consultants", and then back into the pockets of corporate allies that make their favorite treats and own the fancy hotel chains and sell the air time of giant media companies.

the contest is incidental to the campaign as a mechanism for accumulating, funneling and reconcentrating wealth.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 80 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

This is why I don't think elections are ever in any danger. There's a whole industry around the spectacle, and the outcome doesn't matter anyway.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 53 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago

It’s nothing more than an overdramatic statement that radlibs keep harping about.

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[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 78 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That makes the decision not to address her supporters on election night even funnier. I could muster up a sliver of understanding if her polls had her ahead and she repeated Hillary's mistake of thinking she could cake walk into the White House, but to act surprised when your own research had you down the whole damn time? What, was she too busy collecting on all the prediction market bets she made against herself?

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

She made it so obvious that she straight up hates her supporters yet Liberals keep glazing her even now.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

It's an incredible testament to America's culture of celebrity that both major candidates were horrible sucking voids of charisma who clearly despised their own supporters.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 75 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

How do you know you are down the entire time and do absolutely nothing about policy?

Because she didn't want to win. The dems don't want to make change they want to make money, and Trump and a right wing government will help them make the most money. They can pretend to huff and puff all they want but ultimately their stock portfolios will reap the rewards of this and that's all they cared about from the beginning.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

They have that sweet inside advantage. they can get ahead of anything before it makes the news and the retail market can respond

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[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 67 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

She could've swung for the fences on progressive policies, if she knew she was doomed right? Not like anyone would ever be honest about it, but they ran their perfect centrist anti Trumper campaign and lost which has gotta take the shine off that a little. She could've ran on a Bernie style platform, lost and then they could claim "well see it never works let's never do that again"

[–] miz@hexbear.net 62 points 3 weeks ago

they dare not suggest that a better world is possible. they just got done shutting that shit down in 2020

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They can't risk anyone getting the idea that they support progressive causes.

[–] glans@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

but is she a progressive? like even a little bit, in private?

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No she's not, this would be some weird double bluff play of pretending to be progressive while knowing she's losing in order to lower the already low cachet of progressive electoral politics

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I feel like her political background just isn't a "swing for the fences" one, though. The only thing that would've made her lose worse than she did would've been if she was faking it. People might not be smart about policy and whatnot, but Americans can spot a fake 100 miles away.

Trump was never anything but his most authentic self from the moment he rode down that escalator until today.

Harris trying to go fulll Bernie/ Squad would've failed spectacularly. Because that not what she believes in.

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[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Hey if you had the chance to spend $1.5 billion in a few months wouldn't you take it

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I would have spent 1.5 billions just paying people's debts and saying "brought to you by the Kamala Harris campaign".

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Tbh that seems very illegal. Not that laws apply to ruling class

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

IIRC you can buy lots of kinds of debt for cheap (though not most student debt), and then could just discharge it.

E: Might need to have a registered corporation or something but fuck they have $1.5B they can set that up.

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[–] Firstnamebunchofnumbers@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Id spend it on furry commisions

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

Why do you think there's so many hyena harrises floating around?

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[–] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Washington Generals were never supposed to win

[–] Dingus_Khan@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago

BUT THEY WERE DUE!!!

[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 48 points 3 weeks ago

it was her turn, for god's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I've been reading Nixonland and my biggest takeaway so far is that we have been living in Richard Nixon's America for the last 60 years. You mean to tell me, you don't know how to combat racist demagoguery, opportunists, and right-wing sickos? You mean to tell me that we just get to sit and watch the so-called adults in the room flail in the same way the liberals (who were nominally BETTER, because they believed in funding government programs) flop and scream "not fair not fair".

Not to sound cringe or joker-che, but Americans deserve better ~~crooks~~ politicians.

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago

Just hugging Biden no matter what, smart strategy!

Also, this is so funny considering that the number one priority of liberals was screaming at everyone pointing out that swing state polls had Kamala tied at best and probably behind in the race. It was all fake polls and GOP pollsters publishing fake polls to somehow (???) suppress the Dem turnout.

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why worry about policy when you can have Queen Bey, and Megan, and Oprah sing your praises. That’s all that matters

[–] miz@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand. Queen Latifah never endorses anyone

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[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Shoulda went with Hillary. hillary-contempt

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[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

A group of billionaires and millionaires donated some minimum amount to get a tax break on profits from their racism factory. They used it to get a bunch of college educated office workers to donate hundreds of millions to the campaign. The campaign proceeds to spend it carting interns and graduate students back and forth to Raytheon Acres Virginia. Those people are just doing for a checkbox on their resume. The insiders knew it was a bust from the start, they're just going through the motions and auditioning for their next private sector job. All the money goes into the insider's consulting agencies and appearance fees and marketing firms. They donors get a nice ROI from the people calling you Hamas on x - the everything app. Then they get more tax breaks anyways because Trump gets in.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Sipping on a gin and tonic as I castigate my son for wearing long pants before the age of twenty. He asks me when he can see his mother— who is also my cousin— again, and I remind him not to ask about her, because I don't know how to say that my uncle and I had her lobotomized and put in a hospital for crying too much. I send him back to boarding school for another six months as I head to my job as an executive for a large chemical company that my grandfather got me, overseeing South American mining operations. Upon hearing that a newly-elected government wants to levy a tax on our mining profits and institute an eight hour work day, I call up my old Skull and Bones chums who work for Zapata Oil and Air America, ask if there's anything they can do to help, and they promise they'll look into it. I will drink nine more gin and tonics throughout the day before switching to bourbon. Old Money Life.

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[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Her strategy was fake it until you make it, at a presidential level

[–] miz@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

it made her senator, why not president?

[–] miz@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

brat summer was all a dream

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Used to read New Yorker magazine

Kamala and me all up in the limousine

Hanging ballots on my wall

Swing states, we can lose them all

Someone else can probably do much better than me, but I tried here kitty-birthday-sad

[–] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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