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Murder makes the intent sound more petty; less important, more personal, and less political than it really is

Assassination indicates political intent and societal effect, and even a sketchy history of skeletons behind the assassinated that led to this

But the cultural hegemonic capitalist lib and con media don't wanna hear anything about such history.

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[–] asg101@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Use the old word for it - Liquidation

Money goes in, money goes out. All the while, a CEO croaks loud.

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a Brazilian, this makes me wonder what would be the equivalent terms in Portuguese, because "murder" translates to "assassinato" and "assassination" also translates to "assassinato".

[–] PortugueseDragon@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Homicídio", at least in Portugal

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 week ago

Isn't "homicídio" more like a broad term which includes unintentional deaths (which we'd call as "homicídio culposo")?

Both of the terms "murder" and "assassination" imply intention, with the intention behind an "assassination" being a political/ideological one rather than the intention behind a "murder" (which would be more personally-oriented intentional homicide).

My question is because I can't remember of a Portuguese term that carries a political/ideological sense when referring someone killing another. Portuguese-speaking media outlets here in Brazil often use "morte" e "assassinato" interchangeably, even though "morte" is an even-broader term referring to "death".

Perhaps the Brazilian media lacks an equivalent word, too. "Globo" (one of the major media outlets here), for example, is using the term "assassinato":

Screenshot from a Brazilian news headline at Globo

Even UOL, another major media outlet which is said to be more left-leaning, is also using the term "assassinato":

Screenshot from another Brazilian news headline at UOL

So, as the OP said, these headlines, especially in Portuguese, "makes it sound unwarranted".

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like if you go by this logic "self defense" would be the preferred term

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 week ago

On a societal level absolutely self-defense

And that sketchy history is medical insurance rentierism

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't think it matters. Both terms have their strengths. Using the term "assassinated" elevates the victim, which works to justify the unequal allocation of resources for investigation of a rich guy's death.

Also the term "murder" doesn't imply justification, only that you killed someone on purpose.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Murder implies that it was unlawful, which is technically true, but I don't like the idea of ceding that ground.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Assassination isn't lawful either

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Citizens execution

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Using the term "assassinated" elevates the victim,

More than his role has been? Assassinated puts questions on why high-level figures like him get targeted, and these questions are uncomfortable, to say the least

Remember, not all assassinations were booed by the general public (see the fascist general Luis Carrero Blanco and see how he's SO elevated in post-Francoist Spain)

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He was only briefly elevated, followed by a swift return to earth

[–] qaopjlll@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Plus an additional 6 feet

[–] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

It was a classic case of MDK

[–] Bidentime@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Some news sites where calling it that a few days ago