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I'm pretty sure we would know from the Soviet archives whether or not this happened. This is so ridiculous

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[–] reaper_cushions@hexbear.net 51 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So between Stalin and the Nazis, the USSR lost about a third of its population within the first 30 years of its existence and was the first nation to reach the space age only four years later… somehow?

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

in the regions of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, the Caucasus and within the Soviet Unions own borders

They live in a completely different world where Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the Caucasus weren't part if the Soviet Union?

[–] fox@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

It's a post hoc imperialism claim justification if the USSR was involved outside Russia's border

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oh ya it's true, Stalin killed half the population of the Soviet Union, or in other words roughly the same amount of people who died in WW2, I was there I saw it, shit was wild

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

how else do you think le orcs managed to get nukes? Stalin just went 25-0 constantly, brother was geeked up

Can confirm, I was the soon

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 36 points 6 months ago

double genocide theory is imaginary equivalence and literal nazi propaganda and also a twitter community note same-picture

[–] roux@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Bit idea: save a screen shot for every time the "XX million" number is used and save them in numerical order, then post a collage at the end of the year.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yes, the university of hawai'i are the experts on the USSR, they were located right next to the border of the USSR and first hand experienced Stalin spooning the dirt out of their land with the comically large communism spoon stalin-comical-spoon

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What do they mean by”AND within the Soviet Unions borders”?
All of those are within the borders.

[–] g_g@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

they mean "ruZZia" or w/e the fuck LIBs say

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago (7 children)

This site they linked is pure ideology it's so wild I don't know where to start comrades you have to go check this out http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

1996 ass website

Professor Rummel passed away on March 2, 2014. His "Powerkills" website will be maintained by the University of Hawaii Political Science Department. Please contact dougbond@fas.harvard.edu with any questions or comments.

lmao owned

What’s baffling is they thought this shit was so good it needed to be maintained for decades like wtf this would have been one of those rare cases where linkrot would have been perfectly fine.

No idea why a Harvard guy is responsible for it I think I’m gonna write him an annoying email debate lording him about it because there’s so many blatant falsehoods on here and it feels awesome getting under the skin of Ivy League dipshits

[–] yoink@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

cos they're likely buddies considering Rummel taught at Yale

whats even more baffling (or perhaps unsurprising) is that the guy won awards, including a lifetime achievement award from the American PoliSci Association

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

american polisCI AssoCIAtion

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

I once got an A on a paper I wrote about Iran-Contra. Some community college professors are based.

[–] yoink@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

his wikipedia page is wild, all the shit the dude who made this website says is insane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Rummel

History and Political Science Professor at University of Hawaii, Yale and Indiana, was convinced that global warming was a hoax to install Obama as lifetime dictator

this is his own summation of his alternate history book he released later in life, emphasis mine, it actually makes me squirm:

What if there were a solution to war and genocide? What if a secret society sent back to 1906 two lovers, Joy Phim, a gorgeous warrior, and John Banks, a pacifist professor of history, and gave them the incredible wealth and weapons necessary to create a peaceful alternative universe—one that never experienced the horrors of world war, the Holocaust, and the other atrocities of the twentieth century? And what if, at great personal cost, they succeed too well and create a peaceful world of complacent democracies? In Book 2, the clock is turned back to their arrival in 1906. They receive a message from the future of the universe they will create – Islamic fundamentalists have attacked the unarmed democracies with nuclear weapons and enslaved them. It is now up to these lovers to prevent this horrible future.

[–] yoink@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

what if we were too busy saving the world from communists that we forgot about the islamists?? the horror

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

What's funny is the USA supports Islamists as a bulwark against leftism in Muslim majority countries. These people are either willfully unaware or intentionally lying.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just like Orson Scott Card's Pastwatch subtitled "The Redemption of Christopher Columbus" where the consequences of preventing the horrible European genocide of the Western Hemisphere is that cannibal savages build a massive militarized society and destroy Europe

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

:waow-based:

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[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] yoink@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

a tenured crank who apparently hated tenure because he saw it causing 'Leftimania'

https://web.archive.org/web/20070519174724/http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_freedomspeace_archive.html

this man fascinates me like he cannot be real

also I'm calling my communist Phoenix cover band 'Leftimania'

[–] yoink@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In my 2/21/05 blog “On Ward Churchill and Academic Leftimania” ( link here), I described the state of American universities, particularly the social sciences, humanities, and special studies or programs (woman’s studies, ethnic studies, etc.). In effect, they constitute anti-American, socialist, and leftist propaganda factories. I will refer to them all as leftsville.

requesting a c/leftsville

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

He must really hate Ned Flanders too.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Many such cases

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Part was mass murder, as of the wholesale extermination of perhaps 6,500,000 "kulaks" (in effect, the better off peasants and those resisting collectivization) from 1930 to 1937,^4^

  1. Conquest (1986, p. 306). "It certainly appears that a charge of genocide lies against the Soviet Union for its actions in the Ukraine. Such, at least, was the view of Professor Rafael Lemkin who drafted the [Genocide] Convention." (p. 272) The "Ukrainian famine was a deliberate act of genocide of roughly the same order of magnitude as the Jewish Holocaust of the Second World War, both in the number of its victims and in the human suffering it produced."(Mace, 1986, p. 11)

Perfect.

They are all "kulaks" now?

n 2 Is Lemkin, which if BadEmpanda is to be believed said that as an offhand comment and wasn't, you know, looking into whether it was a genocide. Also, while I hate to be a debate lord "that's a logic fallacy ergo post shit", it's an appeal to authority, whether or not Lemkin made the Convention doesn't make his opinion the grand truth.

n3 is double genocide theory.

[–] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Commenting for emphasis to look at that site

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Well I have to credit this guy's website because TIL that the quote about absolute power corrupting is literally from a catholic lord born to a baron LMAO

he was attached to Lord Granville's mission to Moscow as British representative at the coronation of Alexander II of Russia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton

[–] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

Free people do not suffer from and never have had famines, and by theory, should not. Freedom is therefore a solution to hunger and famine.

Under capitalism hunger is an individual issue, under socialism hunger is an indictment of the entire system, etc etc...

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

You know, some people estimate that I have a net worth of $2.4bn. Those people would be idiots.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure we would know from the Soviet archives whether or not this happened

No no, you see, that's the beauty of it

How do people believe this? You make a claim, no matter how ridiculous it may be, and then you declare all counter claims and arguments to be invalid

Soviet archives? Either they erased or hid all evidence of their crimes (because they don't show up in the archives), or they intentionally didn't release the right information. After all, how are you going to trust a Russian?

Dispute the Black Books claims on academic grounds? Well you're just a salty tankie who [insert homophobic insinuations towards Stalin and Putin] and are probably paid 32 roubles an hour to post propaganda. What time is it in Moscow, Ivan? Naturally we won't investigate claims that the author is biased

It's fucking genius. It's a self perpetuating propaganda. Any evidence to the contrary is evidence of the thing, and any defense of the Bad is proof of a moral failing, turning one into a pariah

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

It's the situation of someone claiming a unicorn exists with the evidence being "I saw one" and because the unicorn doesn't exist, and they're just lying, there's literally no way to disprove them without attacking their lie.

Then the narrative is switched to how you hate unicorns, and your only attacking them because they like unicorns.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

Just completely made up at this point

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

You can believe anything if you're unwilling to look into actual facts

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

I remember one of the very last arguments I got on over at reddit and the person I was arguing at brought up this Rummel jackass. Or rather, they linked to some anticommunist blog post where more than half the sources were this Rummel guy.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

R.J. Rummel's works. Which are very pinocchio-evil

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Nothing means anything

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Stalin genocided all of its people and defeated the nazis at the same time.