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[–] NoOutlinesBand@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

"I've been trying to quit smoking. I want to take better care of my spiracles"

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago

Wait until this person hears about fish.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Like most others I have not read the article. But someone please answer me this:

If the bees fell asleep, then why didn't the fire kill them? I can accept that insects don't have lungs, I mean some people are doing well without hearts... but am I supposed to accept that bees are also immune to fire damage?

[–] Plaidboy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

The bees were on a different lower down roof from the main roof (which is the one that burned). The article notes that bee wax melts at 70C and they didn't see any of that under the hives, so they know temperatures stayed below that. So the bees were likely only exposed to some smoke and maybe some slightly elevated temperatures.

[–] Abird1620@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Put simply smoke doesn't have to be hot. Smoke is just unburnt fuel caused by a process called offgassing (solid turning to a gas).

An example of cooled down smoke is a fire that starts in a well sealed room. It burns through as much fuel as possible, and while the solids are hot they turn into gas, however, due to a lack of oxygen, you don't necessarily see combustion. So then the fire snuffs itself out and what you are left with is a cooling smoke.

So let's say that the fire is on an upper floor. Heat goes up, cold goes down. So as smoke travels through a building it cools, and may eventually sink towards the ground or a lower level (this can be especially possible in a building as large as a cathedral) smoke sinks and interacts with bees at a "manageable temperature".

Tldr: smoke isn't always hot. The bees are happy.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 week ago (12 children)

So if I understand you correctly, if I remove my lungs, I’m a bee? My aunt had lung cancer, so they’ll probably kill me, anyway. I’ll report back on the results.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

left wiggle, right wiggle, left wiggle, buzz

WHAT! MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT!

[–] tahoe@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago (10 children)

No because you’re likely too big (no offense) :(

I think insects have little holes all over their bodies, in which air gets inside by itself through some physics shenanigans. It doesn’t need to be actively sucked in like with lungs, it just happens because they’re so small.

This method doesn’t scale up though since if you’re bigger, you need more air, and having little holes all over your body won’t cut it. Thats when you know you need lungs, and that’s why you don’t see insects the size of a dog these days (thankfully).

There used to be times in the Earth’s history (Carboniferous) where the air’s composition was different though, and since it had more oxygen in it, insects could grow a lot larger.

[–] Metz@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Fun fact: Cutaneous respiration (aka "Skin breathing") is something we humans do too. But it accounts only for 1% to 2% of our oxygen input.

However, the cornea of ​​our eyes doesn't have its own blood vessels to supply it. Therefore, it relies on direct gas exchange with the environment—in other words, skin respiration.

Our eyes breath like bees.

[–] dave@feddit.uk 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is that why bees can't wear contact lenses?

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (7 children)

No, it's because they have compound eyes. Even if they could afford all the different lenses they need, they'd never have enough time to put them in and take them out, while still working a full day.

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Yeah, and if you pluck a chicken, it will be a human, because it's featherless and stands on two legs.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 66 points 1 week ago (9 children)

And, for the most part, humans' lungs don't have bees!

I somehow forgot about bees not having lungs. I knew some other small things didn't.

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[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Beekeepers intentionally use smoke to make bees docile during collection time, transfers, etc

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (14 children)

This is (fortunately) why there's a maximum size on insects. The environment is less oxygen rich today than in the eras of giant insects in the past. They reach a size where oxygen can't penetrate deeply enough onto their bodies.

[–] excral@feddit.org 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's all based on a very fundamental mathematical law: if you increase the size of something, the volume increases with the third power while the surface area increases with the second power. An insect twice as large would be 8x as heavy and need 8x as much oxygen but 4x as much surface area.

That's also the reason why insects are as strong as they are. The strength of a muscle scales primarily with the cross section area of it, which again scales with the second power. So if you'd increase the weight of an ant by a factor 10,000,000 (e.g. 5mg to 50kg), the expected strength would increase by 10,000,000^(2/3) ≈ 46,400. If it could lift 10x it's weight at the original size, it could now only lift about 4.6% of it's weight

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Square Cube Law

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reminds me of how the damage to roads scales with the weight of the vehicle to the 4th power, so someone driving a 6000lb pickup does 16x more damage to roads than a 3000lb sedan

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How does double the mass increase the damage 16 fold? I understand surface area vs volume, but that doesn't seem relevant when working with mass

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

It's more about a minimum of weight or pressure that affects it. So the higher the pressure the more likely it is to flex the road where a small vehicle with light pressure might not make it flex at all. The heavier it is the more the weight will flex the subsurface and cause more damage.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/08/30/how-roads-fail-and-why-theyre-set-to-get-worse/

"To give you an example of that impact, let’s do a quick calculation. Here in New Zealand, the heaviest vehicle allowed on (some of) our roads is the 50MAX truck. It has nine axles and a total weight of 50 tonnes, so the load-per-axle is 5.55 tonnes. The best-selling car in NZ in 2022 was the Mitsubishi Outlander. It weighs 1.76 tonnes, so its load-per axle is 0.88 tonnes. The fourth-power law says that to calculate the relative stress that these two vehicles apply to a road, you take the ratio of their loads-per-axle and raise the result to the fourth power. In this case, (5.55 / 0.88)4 = 1582. In practical terms, it means that a 50MAX truck applies as much stress to a road as 1,582 cars (or quite literally billions of bicycles)"

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Insects don't have lungs. It also means their potential size is directly limited by the oxygen content in the air.

Which is why we don't see cat sized insects roaming around.

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[–] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Huh, the Greek hero Spiracles saved the bees

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Hold on, wait a minute, pause. There are people who think that bugs have lungs?

[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

I’m less bothered by that person not knowing and way more bothered by them just being so confidently incorrect. Doesn’t take long to just look it up yourself. Unless the whole post was an educational setup?

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To be fair, while bugs and other insects don't have lungs, some arthropods do. The differences among arthropods, insects and bugs aren't exactly common knowledge.

[–] TomasEkeli@programming.dev 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (22 children)

some have book-lungs not true lungs. Only us fish have "true" lungs

edit: this thread turned into nerd-heaven. i love it!

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[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 70 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not just bees, it's true of all insects.

Consequently, the amount of oxygen in the air determines how big bugs can grow. Get too big, and the oxygen can't diffuse into the body fast enough. This even shows up in the fossil records, with larger bugs being found alongside evidence of eras that had more oxygen in the atmosphere.

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[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's what limits their size. If insects had lungs, they could get larger. 300 million years ago, when the oxygen content in the atmosphere was temporarily higher, there were huge dragonflies with 75 cm wingspan (2.5 ft).

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