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[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Part of me would rather have Washington, Oregon, and California become the new Republic of Cascadia.

The other part of me would be happy to become a Canadian.

Either way works for me. Somebody just roll out the bill and I'll sign.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why not bring in Nevada too? Having Las Vegas without crossing international borders would be nice.

[–] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Water supply could become a problem for Vegas if they wouldn't join

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

*western Washington, Oregon, and California

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, yes, or we could annex the tip of Idaho and exile everybody that voted for Trump Or that does not swear allegiance to the new Republic of Cascadia.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah, some motherfuckers would try to make the state of Jefferson to fuck up demographics.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

Let 'em make Jefferson. I worked in the parts of the Sierra where the idea was popular (even though this county wasn't even included in the proposal lmao), and it would make the poorest state in the union. It'd be even poorer than W. Virginia and Mississippi. Let's see if maybe they like San Francisco and Sacramento a bit more once they realize who was paying for CalFire.

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago

The sad but mostly hilarious part is that the remaining red states would make an obscenely poor country with nearly zero economic prospects. The blue states have been subsidizing their existence for decades.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If they weren't cowards they would sign an asylum bill to let USians immigrate without delays

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wait, so now that Americans need somewhere to go, unlimited and unregulated immigration is the answer?

Hopefully you've not made any jokes about immigrants. Like... ever.

I mean that's completely possible, I just hope you haven't.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I make jokes about immigrants. Like making fun of how they are less likely to commit crimes than us-born

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Oh shit, you actually got me there. As I forgot you can joke about anything, as long as it is a good joke and not actually advocating for a bad thing. It's just that most "jokes" you hear about immigrants aren't actually jokes but poorly disguised shitty ideology, so I was thinking of a slightly different context perhaps.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

We accept. Please send troops.

[–] pezhore@infosec.pub 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just make DC, Puerto Rico, and hell, Guam a state and you can still keep the flag the same. Or split up Texas into three gerrymandered states to guarantee a forever republican government.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

We can't make Hell a state because we already have Texas.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Please do. Would love to be able to visit NY again.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Vermont would also like to sign up.

[–] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 7 points 3 weeks ago

Rather neglectful of the east coast and midwest

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Make your own country and we'll be friends, but dont join in.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

California is probably the only state that could do absolutely just fine as a country. It has a top-tier economy on it's own, the necessary population, the internal food surplus, and the access to ocean ports, needed to run independently

[–] nelly_man@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The biggest issue is water, and it would be difficult for them if they lose access to the Colorado River. Currently, only 10% of the river's flow reaches Mexico, so it's not unreasonable to believe that California would be in trouble if they don't secure control of the upper basin. In any case, it would make for a complicated legal battle between an independent California, the United States, and Mexico.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Excellent point.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago
[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Michigan, the Dakotas, and the original 13 are also welcome.

Wisconsin can suck it. Fuck the Packers

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Minnesota an come, too. Just tone it down a notch, eh.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm not even in Minnesota but I'm confident in my ability to make it there. The West Coast? Oof.

Edit: including the original 13 and maybe new Mexico, you're in the perfect position to pinsir off everything above the Bible belt as well.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Minnesota is already an honorary province.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

The dakotas are solid Trump strongholds.

Canada doesn't want them.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Washingtonian here...

PLSPLSPLSPLS

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not in favour of this, as a Canadian. The power imbalance is too great. It would make Canada a Californian state, rather than California a Canadian province. They would never accept rule from Ottawa.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What policy differences would you expect? Canada has a better "states rights"/provincial system than US in that equalization payments let the Provinces spend as they want.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You bring up an interesting issue with equalization payments. California would be a "Have" province and hefty transfer payments would probably be expected.

But mostly, I'm just concerned that California would immediately become the dominant political entity in Confederation. Right now, the centre of the world is basically Toronto. Suddenly, the financial, technological, and industrial centre of Canada would all be in California. I can't see that going super well. People and businesses would migrate en masse. It could lead to an impoverishment of other Canadian provinces as the capital all moves to California.

Population, GDP, culture.. Canada would be eaten alive by California. They wouldn't change. We would.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

California already makes signifcantly more Federal tax payments, then it receives in services. It does so to a government that hates it, and manages funding red states that hate it with California's contributions.

financial, technological, and industrial centre of Canada would all be in California

California does have a lot of fintech, but traditional finance would likely still be centered in Toronto, unless CA wants to make it from scratch. Unclear that any industry would move.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe. Not convinced it'd be best for Canada, though. I think California would be better as an independent country that we could then negotiate with on more or less equal footing.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Canada should take Alaska. Makes sense.

[–] Numberone@startrek.website 1 points 2 weeks ago

Don't forget Michigan!!