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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 245 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If a protest requires permission it isn’t a protest.

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In the US, generally, you aren’t so much asking permission as giving notice that your expecting a generate a crowd, despite the phrasing. Freedoms of speech, assembly and association are still a thing.

The purpose behind it is to give emergency services a heads up to minimize obstruction of normal or emergency traffic and to provide some level of crowd control to minimize the chance of flash stampedes. Like if some idiot sets off a firework, everyone thinks it’s a gunshot and started running.

Approval is generally automatic, but failure to go through the approval process could result in your peaceful protest turning into a riot, or being declared a riot.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They were declared riots before they even started.

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was about to reply that today's protests seem to have gone off peacefully till this article came up in my news feeds.

https://www.opb.org/article/2025/06/14/portland-police-ice-facility-riot/

As far as I know though, the Portland protest, and the assassinations of the Minnesota legislator, Melissa Hortman, and her husband, seem to have been the exceptions.

[–] Dempf@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Today in SLC someone took a rifle to our march and shot a protestor. Last I heard the victim didn't make it.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2025/06/14/crowd-gathers-salt-lake-city-march/

After the shots, everyone scattered and the shooter hid among others who were trying to shelter & take cover. Some hero noticed the rifle sticking out of his bag, grabbed the bag and called police over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXjidb2vNwI

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago

Protests turn into riots when the police wanted to, exactly then, and very rarely before that point.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 119 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Around 80,000 people still showed up to protest at the MN capital today, so I don't think what "officials" say matters.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The officials can get fucked. What an absolutely absurd and cowardly response.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] YiddishMcSquidish 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

I'm so conflicted on this take. On one hand, it sounds a little accelerationist/tankie. On the other hand, you're not wrong. But they are trying to protect lives by recognizing there is a literal serial murderer on the loose with not only the names and addresses of public officials, but also "no kings" rally flyers.

So it's a fairly simple trolley problem question in the "what if" scenarios going through an actual concerned public official's mind. It's cool people showed up cause they all realized this dude was a coward and will only shoot people who are at an extreme disadvantage, and wouldn't dare to go public with his violence cause there's a chance he might get punched in the face a few dozen times before his homies in blue pull him out.

But you really can't blame this public statement on "Democrats are cowards", even though it is objectively true.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

We can blame the officials. Don't let the heckler's veto work. It's murder of course, but it's also bullying. And capitulation only makes it worse next time. They'll always have lunatics with guns.

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[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Good.

The social contract is unraveling.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 days ago

Important comment, this has been fraying for several years and now it’s unravelling.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, people misunderstand how citizen protests work when they talk about protest organizers like they're in charge. Maybe they filed some papers with city hall and did some promotion, but there's no such thing as "protest leadership".

[–] altphoto 13 points 3 days ago

Yup protests have no head to kill. So try as they may this will continue until we are sure no nazis are inside our political system.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago

The cowardly "officials" cancelled the protests, and 80,000 people proved that they don't listen to spineless Democrats any more than treasonous MAGAs, and showed up anyway.

Craven Democrat politicians need to match the courage of their constituents, or find another job. It's time for Democratic Warriors to step up.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 107 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This will show the fascists that they have a means to shut down all protest.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a Minnesotan I'd be upset if officials didn't make this announcement. They had an individual who killed 2 people and seriously injured 2 more, whose vehicle was found with No Kings protest flyers, and who had a manifesto that seemed to indicate they had plans for greater violence.

This is the kind of thing people should be warned about. It's not like it stopped any/many from going but they'd be derelict in their responsibilities if they didn't let people know.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Letting people know and trying to cancel a protest are two very different things.

You cannot surrender to terrorists.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Officials cancel all "No Kings" events

I don't think it works like that, like it is in the fucking name.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's why 80,000 people showed up anyway

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 73 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 66 points 3 days ago

Exactly my thoughts. Like, this should make the protest larger, not stop it. This is exactly what they are protesting against, is it not?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Capitol event organizers, who originally expected a turnout of 10,000 people, released this statement early Saturday afternoon:

"Out of an abundance of caution and in adherence to guidance from Governor Walz and the Minnesota State Patrol, all remaining No Kings events in Minnesota are being canceled immediately. This decision comes in light of the ongoing shelter-in-place order and the tragic shooting that targeted two elected officials and their spouses. We are doing this in accordance with local and state guidance given the suspect is still at large impersonating a police officer.

Our hearts are with the victims, their families, and the communities shaken by this violence. We are in close contact with our hosts, attendees, and state and local officials and remain committed to ensuring all other events around the country proceed peacefully and safely"

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[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (7 children)

If I am understanding it correctly, a stay at home order was issued because the shooter was still "at large" having shot at authorities and then fleeing. The time the protests was supposed to be was covered under the stay at home order.

I think the protests should happen if at all possible, but I understand not wanting people on the streets when there is a known gunman about.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

If the protests against Trump are canceled because his supporters assassinate Democrats, it will encourage more assassinations.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

1 gunman, thousands of protesters. Hmmm.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Right, the gunman might run into the crowd and loudly announce that he was going to shoot them before being wrestled to the ground, or the gunman might find a safe perch and fire indiscriminately into the crowd, causing casualties, panic and chaos, then melt away into the night.

Tough to say which one is more likely

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[–] plantsmakemehappy@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

The one in the area of the shootings was cancelled due to a stay at home order, but the one at the capitol 100% happened, although with a different tone and not all the speakers showed up.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can we also cancel all the monarch bullshit this administration is doing too?

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Not without killing someone, it seems.

[–] Addition@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago

They tried! We had the protest anyway! AG Ellison spoke and everything.

[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m very out of the loop with this, I’m not from the USA. Which protests do we like, and which don’t we?

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Which types you like probably hinges on how you feel about flak vested white supremacist militias, I guess.

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[–] weariedfae@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The "No Kings" protest was anti-Trump. Do with that what you will.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago

Officials cancelled anti-Trump protests after a Democrat representative was killed. (Trump is Republican.)

[–] darthmachina@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

I was at the capital protest, didn't even realize it was canceled until they started talking.

I was also at the Earth Day protest and I loved seeing way more people today. I didn't do the march and it was awesome seeing the march come down the street toward the capital grounds.

I wish we could have had their planned schedule today but I'm glad they still did something and it was a good mix of protest and the somber reality of the assassinations.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 days ago

Why was this posted three hours ago, after the protests had taken place already?

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