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Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.

The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.

But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

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[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemmy.zip 3 points 14 hours ago
[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The truth doesn't really matter. Israel will get their war, and the US will lumber into it behind them.

What's crazy to me is apparently the US has become so polarized, so used to division that pointing out Israel is acting like bloodthirsty psychos is somehow supporting Iran, or Hamas before that. It's like their whole culture has evaporated any nuance at all. Only diametrically opposed good and evil battling forever. Professional wrestling stories with Heels and Faces divided by clear black lines.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is the only thing conservatives/fascists have left.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world -3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The moron just wants the war to hide his shenaningans at home. Sole reason. Everyone should know by now that he automatically denies any and every thing that runs contrary to his own personal narrative.

other problems make for a great distraction from the original problem. i suspect that's the reason behind a lot of trump's actions

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[–] Robotsandstuff@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

We have done this dance before last time it cost me my 20s my sanity and most importantly a huge amount for friends I loved like brothers who died before and are still killing then selfs..

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So we are gonna do the Iraq WMD lie again huh?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

People still believe Iraq had WMDs to this day.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This season's twist is that the Intelligence community is claiming that there is no weapons. Unless the Intelligence community is doing reverse psychological on us.

[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

They claimed no wmds before the invasion of Iraq too

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I still have people telling me it wasn't Bush's fault, the intelligence was bad

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Of course there are ZERO valid reasons to go to war in the ME.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 7 points 22 hours ago

Well, they're half right, but not in the sense they mean...

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Quick, dust off the "weapons of mass destruction" propaganda.

[–] xzot746@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Came here to say the exact same thing.

It doesn't matter if it is true or not (not just this topic) but if you repeat the lie enough and gaslight the public it becomes true, and if it doesn't so what, what are you going to do about it.

NOTHING that is what they are counting on.

Keep up the protests, the No Kings protest was huge even if MSM is downplaying it.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago

Tulsi has no home and has continually played herself. Congratulations.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 114 points 1 day ago (4 children)

He's an idiot who has never been able to distinguish between his fantasies and reality

He's spent a lifetime making shit up, and never being held to account for it

He's a child, and what's worse, he has dementia.

He also lies as easily as he breathes. Truth means nothing to him. He sees being honest as a weakness

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just the person to entrust the most powerful military of the world with.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (13 children)

"But what choice do we have? Entrust the military to a lady? We'll take the dementia-addled toddler instead"

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[–] VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

First, weaken the commercial aviation in your country. Second, start calling everything terrorism. Third, start yet another war in the middle east.

Your guy is desperately looking for another 911.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m expecting a false-flag attack here soon to give him an excuse to officially pull the US into it

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's fine. Iraq didn't have WMDs either. They just need a lie to sell it to the public.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 day ago (6 children)

why tf would a fascist dictator give a rat's ass about "reasons" to plunge multiple countries into war? he wants war, that's what's going to happen

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[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

In [Trump's] view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

Those are clearly Netanyahu's words in his mouth. Netanyahu has been loudly and confidently saying that at regular intervals since 2012. Iran is always weeks away.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At the same time Isreal is like the only country that probably has nukes yet refuses to acknowledge it.

Imagine Iran did a "preventive strike" against Israel because they might have nuclear bombs.

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[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago

Since the 90's

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Right from the Cheney playbook.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 day ago
[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

Why that damn bullet had to hit the firefighter instead?

I'm so fucking tired.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are we now choosing to believe what Tulsi says because it fits the narrative?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (26 children)

The alternative is believing Israel's government...

And they're an openly genocidal far right government made up of violent religious extremists...

Like, America is bad right now

But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever

Saying Iran isn't building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This whole thing still has me scratching my head.

Such a large portion of the West gets a raging boner about coming to Israel's aide. I get it from the strange doomsday cult belief where something about Israel at war triggers the rapture or some shit. But I don't really believe that's what the western world leaders actually believe.

Trump has his own reality, and only a divine entity understands what's going on in the space between his ears.

Ignoring Trump and the doomsday cult thing, the other things I can think of:

  1. US and Europe want an established western sympathizing military power in the middle-east. Some sort of remnant of the Cold war.

  2. US and Europe want a military western sympathizing military power with close proximity to the Suez Canal and red Sea, as well as the Mediterranean.

  3. The "Sampson Option" that Israel has is completely legitimate and Israel is ready to obliterate everyone if they don't get their way.

  4. There's some economic or strategic value the West won't acknowledge.

Even with all that, attack Iran? Iran is not remotely similar to Iraq. Iran will put up much more of a fight. It also won't be a "forever war" like fascists dream about.

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wouldn't tryst Gabbard on this either since she's very likely a Russian agent and Iran is a partner to their war efforts.

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