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[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 116 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's not only with Black Friday. The Android tablets market is flooded with absolute expensive stinkers for devices. You will notice this in any physical electronic store.

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 66 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not to mention fakes. I bought and Android 12 tablet on Amazon as new not long ago, the version string said 12, but the actual API level was 24 (Android 7) and the UI wasn't android 12.

If you don't think that's a big deal on a cheap tablet then you're not considering what else could have been done to it that you can't see. They're already lying after all.

[–] qupada@kbin.social 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And even apparently from name brands.

My sister bought a low-end Samsung tablet (some years ago admittedly), and it NEVER received a software update in the 3 years she owned it. Not a major update, not a security patch, nothing.

I'd hope they've gotten better about that, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably that was before Samsung offered 5 years of updates. And if the tablet was a bit outdated, it would have easily been outside of the software EOL date.

That's why you should always go for phones/tablets that have been released this year and not take an outdated one. Not for the specs, but for the software support duration.

Over here there is a food discounter that also has a tiny electronics corner, where they have "great" deals. You can often get phones and tablets for less than half of the MSRP. The issue is, that all of them are either out of software support or close to it. A while ago they sold a cheap iPhone that had one month of software support left. And on iPhone, most apps only run on the currently newest iOS version. So a month after buying that iPhone, the user would lose access to most of their apps.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 74 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Isn't not buying anything on Black Friday generally a good advice?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some of the crap being pushed out cheap is made just for Black Friday. Weird TVs with one HDMI port, or the guts of it are leftovers from three years ago, stuff like that.

I mean sure, buy a PS5 or whatever because there's no cheapo version of that with a PS4 Pro in it, but for things like TVs, tablets, or things with a million different model numbers? Buyer beware.

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[–] poopsmith@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, title should just be:

Don't waste your money ~~on an awful Android tablet~~ on Black Friday

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

I bought two 4TB USB SSDs half price, they seem well built and were brand new. I think I did pretty well.

[–] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Broke my phone 2 days ago. Samsung S23 has a black Friday promotion on its official website, the 256gb model is cheaper priced than the 128gb model. I think it's a good deal. Buy things you really need, and you might save some money. But of course don't buy stuff you don't need just for the sake of discount.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When is a good time to buy then?

Whenever there’s a real sale on them and not just marking them up to MSRP then back down again. Aka any time before November or after December.

Use websites like camel camel camel to track prices on something you want and see if it’s actually a good deal.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago

I'm not sure if there is a "good time" to buy - not as a blanket timeframe for all things. If you want to save money, use camel camel camel and patience.

However - it all depends on how much you're talking about trying to save, how substantial that amount is to you, and how much your time is worth - because if you make $20/hour and you spend 16 hours in order to save $5, that's not a great investment.

Black Friday is almost always a scam. Maybe once upon a time it wasn't, but, capitalists gotta capitalize.

[–] saroh@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even better tip : Don't waste your money ~~on an awful Android tablet on Black Friday~~

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

And enjoy the moment

[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 52 points 9 months ago (8 children)

It gets worse. Visiting a friend recently, they tried to give me an old Kindle, (which I politely declined). They have a drawer of about 6 old ones because they can't help buying the latest every sale. They don't even read that much!!

[–] ours@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's so wasteful. And I dragged my old Sony reader for like 7 years and then even handed it down until the battery just wouldn't hold a charge anymore. In 14 years I'm my second reader and feel the Kobo I've got is perfectly fine.

[–] aard@kyu.de 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Battery replacement on the old Sony readers is trivial.

I relatively recently checked out some other ebook readers, mainly as the Sony isn't too responsive with a big library on it, and I prefer just having everything on there - but turns out neither Kindle nor Kobo perform that well with a big library either. The UI of the old Sony reader is still way better than any of the other ebook readers I've tried.

I'm currently carrying a kindle in flight mode, filled via calibre - in the night the backlight is nicer than the clip on light I've been using with the Sony, but I still keep the Sony charged and use now and then.

[–] emli42@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If only more people realised this or could spare the 30 minutes it takes to educate themselves. I recently replaced the battery and charging port on an "old" Samsung phone (three years or so) and it's as good as new. While I did use my 3D printer to soften the glue, I've been able to do the same with a hairdryer in the past. All you need is a couple of guitar picks or a set you can buy for next to nothing.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago

Damn I would take a free Kindle!

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I would have personally accepted. More devices for modding and tinkering with! πŸ”₯

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[–] Astarii_Tyler@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I've been using old kindles for homeassistant interfaces for across the house.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (7 children)

When it comes to tablets, if it is not an iPad, Galaxy Tab S, or Pixel tablet don’t waste the money period. Everything else is pushed out the door and forgotten about by the OEM before the delivery truck leaves the warehouse.

[–] steakmeout@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is literally terrible advice and incorrect. Lenovo and Xiaomi are at just 2 examples of brands whose midrange and high end tablets get supported with updates for years.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I have a Lenovo tablet, bar being useless to me as piece of tech it is very functional and continues to get updates.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pixel

After getting burnt by both the Google endorsed Xoom and the Google branded Nexus 10, I don't trust them at all when it comes to tablets.

With both, Google released good products, and then proceeded to ruin them with abhorrent changes to the software. They made the Nexus 10 dump it's tablet interface in favor of a big phone UI ffs.

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[–] generic@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 9 months ago

What about Lenovo tablets?

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't buy cheap tablets, they're never worth your time. Shop fleaBay for a Samsung Tab S6, S7 or S8 depending on your budget instead - you'll be much happier with the outcome.

I'm still using my 2019 Tab S6 for Netflix, Reddit, PDF reading and annotation, comics and occasionally ebooks via KOReader. Great device, absolutely worth the ~$400 I spent on it on fleaBay ~3-4y ago.

If AMOLED is a must for you the Tab S6, Tab S7 Plus, Tab S8 Plus or Ultra and any Tab S9 model are where you want to start. I'll replace my Tab S6 when the 11in Tab S9 drops below ~$400 secondhand.

[–] akrot@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

In 2017 I got myself a lenovo tab 8", Android 6, 3GB of RAM for less than 120€. Thanks to AOSP, I got it on Android 10, and it's still kicking 6 years later. Get tablets that you can own! (ie Unlock bootloader).

[–] emli42@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

I wish LineageOS would support more tablets. I've got it running on an old OnePlus 6 I use as a Plex client and not much more and it just works, and I get all of the latest security updates etc. I know there are other ROMs out there, but none of the big ones support semi-modern tablets.

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This whole thread smells like a Samsung ad...

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

s/Samsung//

This is SEO foam of the sea of e-commerce.

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[–] Mr_nutter_butter@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Just avoid any no name 16core 12gb ram 512gb rom device that's a Β£100 it's all junk and most likely loaded with malware

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago (8 children)

On that note, what are GOOD android tablets for different price ranges?

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

Samsung still makes great ones. Some of them are even compatible with Wacom pens.

Once I helped to set up a Lenovo Android tablet, that too was stellar compared to the cheap junk you can meet with easily.

Samsung's are generally regarded as pretty good. There's also that OnePlus tablet that MKBHD liked because it has features similar to iPads

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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (22 children)

I just need a cheap tablet that can be rooted (hopefully) with an FHD+ display to watch a few episodes on. Which one do you recommend?

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Pixel Tablet with GrapheneOS is the best choice

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That depends, of course. For media consumption you might want a bigger screen. For reading you might want a smaller screen. Many will want a more mainstream OS that plays better with all their apps and various DRM. Some will want a more capable OS, like Linux or Windows. Some will want iOS, for some unfathomable reason...

For me, a big portion of what I want a tablet for will be covered by the Pixel Tablet on Graphene. That is multiple profiles, for work, play, and banking.

  • Most of my banking apps are available, and most importantly so is YNAB. My phone is kept with a very minimal app footprint, and no Play Store in any capacity, and I don't particularly like budgeting in my browser either on my phone or laptop.
  • I don't let work anywhere near my phone, but occasionally I do want to check Outlook or Teams without jumping into my work laptop. I also need to monitor some things actively for hours on end, so it would be nice to be able to do that from the kitchen, living room, or patio without having to go through the nightmare that is un-docking and re-docking my work laptop that runs Windows. Luckily work lets me Intune join a tablet so long as it's not rooted, others may have stricter OS limitations though.
  • Sometimes I just want to chill out on the couch and watch a movie or TV show. I don't have a TV, and if I'm on my laptop I tend to put the video in PIP and divide my attention. A tablet makes me far less likely to do this.

I prefer Calyx on my phone, for the sake of the extra privacy of Micro-G vs sandboxed Google Play Services. But most of my tablet use case tends more towards mainstream, so I think the compromise is worth it for the more robust multi-profile support in Graphene. But hey, Calyx supports the Pixel Tablet, too.

But... part of me still wants a tablet with a full Linux distro on it, so I'm tempted by stuff like the Starlabs Starlite, and the upcoming Minisforum Ryzen 8000 tablet. But I won't have a streamlined OS that minimizes distractions, and unless I run Ubuntu LTS I wouldn't be able to use it for anything work related. There are also a lot more DRM limitations in regards to streaming video.

Point is, everyone is going to have their own special use case. I'm just glad we're finally getting some FOSS capable tablets into the market, be they running AOSP or Linux.

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[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

but then what SHOULD I waste it on

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[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have one of those Lenovos for reading comics, and they're great. Nothing amazing but you can't beat the bang for your buck.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (14 children)

I've hated tablets since they first came out and never really changed on that. It's just a miserable way for me to do anything when I have a phone and computer already. I would be into a Kindle for reading on eink, but outside of that I can't stand tablets.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I had bought a P11 Pro Gen 2 because I wanted an Oled tablet for reading, and outside of buying a very old Samsung S5e, it's basically the cheapest option for oled along with its Chinese counterpart (Xiaoxin Pad Pro). Samsung Oled tablets are all of the # Plus tablets, which usually retail for more than the p11 pro gen 2.

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[–] evo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

NOTE: Lenovo Tab M10 Plus, the 32GB version has 3GB of ram. The 64GB version (which isn't much more, I got it for $150 the other day) has 4 GB ram.

[–] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And it still isnt enough nowadays.

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[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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