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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have such a hard time identifying with people's hatred for golf and I'd really like to understand more. For context I played golf in highschool, so I got to use the course for free since I was a member of the team. For clubs I used either inherited clubs or ones I found in the dumpster. I've still got those clubs and I can still hit in the direction I want the ball to go.

I live in a very rural mountainous region that gets plenty of rain and has some of the strictest environmental guidelines in the US. The closest golf course to me costs $17 to play all 9 holes.

What I get is that there are some regions that could not support a golf course naturally and where space is at a premium and could probably be used better (like as another fucking parking lot or something, zoning laws are stupid sometimes). I also get that these courses can over fertilize and run off heavy metals into the watershed. Or waste precious water.

What I also get is that golf is not a fun sport to learn. It is not fun until you start making good swings. But once you do it feels as good to me as snowboarding or mountain biking. You also usually golf with friends (drinking can be a big part too), and doing stuff with friends is fun.

It seems to me that most hatred for golf comes because of capitalism and not because of golf. It's associated with the capitalist class, buying new equipment is expensive (nothing like hockey though, serious WTF), and capitalists are irresponsible with land.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

It seems to me that most hatred for golf comes because of capitalism and not because of golf.

I think you’re right, and you summed up my thoughts about the first 80% of your comment better than I was going to, lol.

I’d say the hatred for golf has a lot in common with the dislike behind the fuckcars communities. It’s not that people hate the experience of a clean hit in golf or a brisk drive down twisty country roads. It’s the resources that go into supporting them which by definition do not go into supporting more efficient/healthy/equitable choices. And yes there is probably a secondary effect tied to certain target audiences who value exclusivity and are generally the worst.

[–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 2 points 6 days ago

Yes but also it takes up so much room for so few people to exclusively enjoy. I'm not sure that $17 and dumpster diving for clubs can be considered typical for your average golf Enjoyer, though I know there are more and less expensive ways to do everything. They're also often plopped in urban areas forcing you to walk all the way around to get to the other side (don't you dare walk in the special sport field)((and God help me if you touch my special sport grass)).

Speaking of the grass it's wildly bad for the planet. The runoff, as you mentioned, is part of it, but the water consumption from having a nice green in the summer in the warm places people like to stand on a grass field, and the gas from the daily lawn mowing is also a factor. (grass and associated pest/weed killers are also a nightmare from an ecological perspective)

It's also not a particularly fun sport for many people. I appreciate some people like it, but surely a nice park and a beer is something that can be done a little more fun with far fewer negative externalities.

In all honesty, I have a really hard time understanding the opposite view. Why someone would go stand in a fenced in hot field, grass, gas, and fertilizer odors on the breeze, and spend the whole day just smacking a plastic ball around instead of going for a jog in a park, or swim/float in a lake/river, or go on a hike, or play soccer. Add on top of that the knowledge that what you're doing is participating in a harmful activity, as discussed above, and I just don't see how the fun can possibly outweigh all that. My gut reaction is that to play golf you either have to be purposefully or accidentally ignorant, however incorrect that may be.

Capitalism may play a part in making the sport suck, but you can't play golf without a big field of the largest cultivated crop in the US near where people live, and that's all it takes for me to dislike it.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Golf will inevitably go the way of the touradas.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 1 week ago (3 children)

minigolf is fine tho. this one can stay.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ever done indoor minigolf? Its even better, and it comes in Glow in the Dark mode! All the fun of minigolf, in an air conditioned environment!

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

Black light mini golf ftw

[–] Unknown_0671@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

tbh i dont care about golf as long as it doesnt destroy natural resources for no reason other than privileged entertainment. minigolf fixes that. so does video game golf or vr golf, those are a ok

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

tbh i dont care about golf as long as it doesnt destroy natural resources for no reason other than privileged entertainment

Then you always care about golf. Huge impeccably groomed and frequently watered lawns with shitloads of pesticides and herbicides are inherently disastrous to fresh water supplies, biodiversity, and other aspects of nature.

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Minigolf doesn't involve lawns

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My local minigolf is inside in a bowling ally

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True. Minigolf isn't golf, though. It's infinitely better.

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[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Golf: Destroying large swaths of land so a few guys can hit a little white ball around more easily.

[–] Unknown_0671@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago

this is a metaphor for capitalism

[–] knowone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

I've always liked "golf and all the problems that come with it only exists because cishet men are scared to ask each other if they want to go for a walk".

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You ever notice there's zero birds or wildlife in these places?

It's all the pesticides and herbicides.

There was even an article a while back that living next to a golf course had a really high correlation with developing neurological diseases.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 2 points 6 days ago

I think this is the study. They recon that 3 miles is too close and that they have corrected for age etc.

https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000209110

[–] philthi@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Though I read that study was skewed by the average age of people that can afford to live near a golf course. They didn't compare like for like in terms of health (as I recall anyway, open to correction!)

[–] Unknown_0671@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

WTF todayi learned

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sure it correlates, but does it cause it?

[–] katja@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Correlation does not mean causation, but it might. If there is a plausible explanation for the correlation it is at least worth exploring, especially if there are many golf courses and therefore a lot of data.

It might also be all those toxic golfers, of course.

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I would have criminalized “owning residences you don't live in”.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I own one my mom lives in.. Not everything is that simple.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Making an exception for family members isn't that hard, either, though. And even if we did do it like this, it would probably end up being a net positive for society - maybe people's moms could actually afford owning houses if no one owned more than one house.

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[–] celeste@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Minigolf is the better golf

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

criminalize owning billions and treat the desire to own billions as a mental disease

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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nah, just criminalize irrigation for golf courses, if you want a golf course, you gotta work with what will grow natively.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

yeah. So many places that actively care for the surrounding environment. And it gets people into nature.

People need to stop associating the sport with water guzzling rich people sport. It's part of it, and those courses should absolutely die, but it's far from the only type of golf course out there

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Played with a friend on a sandy area with some trees, it was great fun and requires no maintenance.
I am not a golfer, we used a mini golf club and golf balls i found near actual golf clubs.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The healthy/sane version of the thing.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Only extra rich persons could've created such an unsustainable and boring sport. I can't see it as anything else but a networking context for the elite class. I mean, compare it to proletariat's bowling, but instead of staying on the lane with everyone else (and many people from the other lanes), you can travel alone or in a small company of co-players, naturally isolated to talk about business stuff sub-rosa.

Gameplay-wise and comparing it to bowling once again, it is that random - by terrain types, weather - it lets people playing it save face while failing at it. Unlike different kinds of balls you can instinctively take for your liking by just weight, the set of clubs is not intuitively obvious and 90% of players don't know what to do with them all. While golf is akin to an archery contest slowed down to a slog with, basically, one metric - how many turns it took to complete the course, bowling has 10 pins and a variety of outcomes with two tries each turn all going into the final result.

Darts has deeper mechanics and is more fun. Snooker is too about taking balls into a hole but you compete with other person directly. And that's a problem with these people: they don't need a skill-based sport-like game, they want a background activity that lets them socialize with select persons while having a premium rich-person experience, with restaurant\resort service, expensive clubs, golf carts and young boys carrying\driving it all for you to hit a ball once in a while.

It should die off with many of it's avid 'players'.

[–] admin 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I used to play golf on my phone. Would you mind excusing digital ones?

[–] Unknown_0671@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] admin 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Metro Man is such a great parody of everything that's ridiculous about superheroes 😁❤️

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My country's elite does hunting for a sport and some of the most harmful versions of hunting at that. I would much rather see them golf.

[–] Unknown_0671@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 week ago

i get the sentiment, but i dont think "there are worse things" is useful, they shouldnt be doing golf or harmful versions of hunting

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago
[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Probably fair as golfers seem to spend inordinate amounts of time wandering around golf courses.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Whats wrong with golf?" i shout as i stand, my striped collared sport polo fluttering, my full golf bag clinking with expensive clubs

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[–] notsure@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

...i can only get so hard....

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago
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