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[–] WatDabney@fedia.io 180 points 4 days ago (2 children)

America - the land of "people should be punished for voting the 'wrong' way."

It's amazing that all it took was a few months of Trump in office for Republicans to stop even bothering to pretend to be anything other than overtly and explicitly anti-American - to out themselves as deliberate and even enthusiastic enemies of every single thing that ever made America great..

[–] gidostro@lemmy.cafe 54 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I’m totally fine with this. Assuming there is going to be another election, and a democrat wins, I think social security should only be for people who support socialism. Those “backbones of our country” trump voters can go get jobs or die.

[–] vivalapivo 32 points 4 days ago (2 children)

there is going to be another election

There won't be

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There will be another election. There has to be on order for Congress to be seated in Jan 2027. The only question is how ratfucked it will be.

All the talk of emergency redistricting in Texas is actually an encouraging sign. Because it means that they aren't confident in the outcome of the next election, and need to ratfuck it further.

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[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Conservatism is, at its root, monarchist. The original writers and thinkers were focused on preserving authoritarian rule, then upon how to build and maintain hierarchies of society where people rule over others.

They've never been interested in democratic ideals unless it suits them to reinstate a dictatorship.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It must be such a radically different mindset to live in. Like, I can’t imagine ever feeling enthusiastic about enforced hierarchies and monarchy.

Social mobility feels the most liberating, and social constraints the most confining. How can anyone feel differently? I genuinely do not understand.

Weren’t we supposed to be in suppprt of free markets? Aren’t those supposed to empower people to make deals with other people on their own terms, create value, compete, and prosper? Enforced hierarchy and oligarchy feels like not at all that.

It must be control-freakery which, again, I cannot relate to at all.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The early conservative thinkers wrote about the French Revolutions and the rise of egalitarian thinking meant that something must take the place of monarchies to decide the social order. They preferred war as the measure of who should be the leaders, but that money and wealth could be a substitute. This led to Capitalist concepts infesting the right wing since monarchies are off the table.

Innuendo Studios has some great videos summarizing the alt right, conservatism, and Christian nationalism if you're interested:

https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk

Regarding the mindset issue, it might be more baked into people than we'd like. Two great books on the topic are:

The Authoritarians by Altimeter

The Righteous Mind by Haidt

They also have videos summarizing the works in presentations and interviews. It seems that people end up having shadings of authoritarian drives, which means they're happier living under someone's commands and will work to preserve hierarchies despite the harm it causes others. Whether it is socialization or biological I don't know.

To sum up: some people want to be ruled and they're currently tearing the US down to let a king rule over the rubble.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

I hate everything about this. Because it’s probably spot on.

So, what is to be done about authoritarians?

What are those of us who simply want to live free and be left alone (and leave others alone, if they’d only tend to their own business) to do?

Maybe the answer really is guillotines idk. The paradox of protecting liberalism with illiberal means and all that.

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[–] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 140 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Hey quick question: how do you know who I voted for?

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

Doesn't matter, they'll just go by electoral votes or something

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Remember DOGE? Remember all of the databases they got access to without any actual clearance? It’s probably somewhere there. Especially if Trump’s allusion to the voting machines being provoked in his favor by his pet Muskrat are true.

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

He wants to exclude Biden voters from the $600 Trump tariff rebate checks?! The ones Trump got for us?

The same Trump that was best friends with Jeffery Epstein up until his suspicious suicide? You know, that known pedophile that Trump said "liked them young?" Remember when Trump wrote him a weird birthday card? That was odd for a president to do that. Trump did say he liked to grab women by the pussy. That was weird too.

Wait what were we talking about again? Oh yeah the $600 "sorry we dismantled your somewhat functioning government" check I probably won't get. Cool.

[–] obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 3 days ago

You mean best friends until Epstein 'stole' one of the minors working in the spa of his golf club?

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So they're taking the money from the American people and then "generously" giving them back a portion of it and they say only to people who might financially need it. Almost like they're taxing people and redistributing income to those in need. If it wasn't for the hefty piece they're taking off the top and the blatant buying of votes, it almost sounds like Socialism!!

[–] mateofeo85@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Republicans have always been the biggest recipients of welfare.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He really is resorting to his lamest trick which was the Covid checks. I bet you anything he’s going to sign them like last time.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

he has to sign them by hand or they dont count! no stamps or autopens either!

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 59 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I’d like to exclude Trump voters from all future elections. They’re clearly too stupid to handle the responsibility.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately they were smart enough to go vote.

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 27 points 4 days ago

Smart? Probably not, but motivated by fear, hatred, and ignorance? Most definitely. Of course, if the specter of a second term didn’t motivate you to vote, then that is not too smart either.

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[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This headline is a bit alarmist.

“I mean, you know, the rich people don’t need it … what I mean by that is all those Democrat donors of Wall Street, all these hedge fund guys, who all hate the tariffs, by the way.”

So he is basically just implying everyone who is poor voted Trump, and everyone rich voted Biden. It's basically a neutered version of class consciousness with a tribal mindset. Which is exactly the type of class consciousness I would expect Hawley to want his constituents to have. He's still being disingenuous, but he's not (as of right now) suggesting that we keep voter records to punish people for wrongthink.

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[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh no not $600 whatever will I do without reaping the paltry benefits of our environment, due process, democracy, national parks, worldwide alliances, hope for any future other than an oligarchic dystopia, and soon, I’m sure, my ability to ever retire being destroyed by an orange rapist? Gee, that $600 sure would make all that feel way better!

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That can almost cover a grocery trip for a large family. Better sell democracy for it

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Watch grocery stores update pricing for a surge when they know those checks have gone out just to line their pockets more.

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be honest, I'm just looking forward to the massive tax savings and ridiculously lowered tax bill I'm one billion percent sure is going to materialize in 2026 from all the DOGE savings we've attained. Totally holding my breath on that one. Do cremated remains even pay taxes? Who the fuck am I kidding, this is the USA, of course they do.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

How about you and I team up and throw a party, the size of which directly scales with the savings we experience this year? Of course, any tax savings must first be offset by cost of living increases. Can one throw a party of negative size?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Can one throw a party of negative size?

That's called a revolution.

[–] Gustephan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I think thats just called crying alone in your room

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I love that there are two parties, one that represents all of America, and one that represents half of America, and the half side keeps getting elected? Do you want ants, America? Because that's how you get ants

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 18 points 4 days ago (5 children)

oh boy, 600 whole dollars. Woohoo. That'll cover like 3 months of price increases due to the tariffs.

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[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (5 children)

How? Your vote is supposed to be anonymous. Unless he just means registered democrats

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[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

After reading through the article, this is a misleading title. It sounds like he's trying to say that Biden voters are all wealthy people that wouldn't need this:

Well, you wouldn’t give it to everybody, you’d give it to the working people,” the Missouri Republican told far-right podcaster and former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on Tuesday. “You’d give it to our people.”

“I mean, you know, the rich people don’t need it … what I mean by that is all those Democrat donors of Wall Street, all these hedge fund guys, who all hate the tariffs, by the way."

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

The rich people don’t need it .

He means millionaires like him?

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago

Wait... they're doing rebate checks? I thought these tariffs were supposed to magically cover the overwhelming budget deficits? And how exactly will they do that when it's being distributed as free money?

Literally trying to bribe their terrible ideas into being popular, while blowing the deficit out even further. 600$ will finally convince Americans their economy is doing well and isn't barrelling towards utter catastrophe at mach speeds. Astounding work.

[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

That sounds awful socialist to me.

[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 18 points 4 days ago

It's cool. I don't need to be bribed to vote.

Also don't need a placebo incentive to make fucking over our partners and allies seem ok.

All this ignores the fact that everything has gotten more expensive under this chucklefuck kiddy rapist 'n chief that 600$ ain't gonna do fuck all but piss me off even more!

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Now that's how you do a cognitive dissonance!

Also, Sen. Josh Hawley should be excluded from terrestrial oxygen.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I wasn’t aware all Biden voters were rich.

$600/person will go by so quickly with even more inflated prices of goods.

Unless it’s UBI, we don’t need checks. We need higher wages and lower costs of living.

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