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[–] Chana@hexbear.net 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Christianity was an apocalyptic prophetic cult that expected Jesus to come back within a few months or so. His message was to reject anything that might lead you away from belief in him as the son of God and messenger for the immediate apocalypse. So there are like 200 parables about denying earthly desires to instead focus on belief in Jesus as Prophet and proselytizing.

When Jesus never came back, they invented the field of Christian apologetics, grew in numbers, and became a state religion, something in explicit opposition to the Gospels. Now there is an intentionally opaque and roundabout justification for everything the Euro ruling class wanted to do for about 2000 years.

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This comrade gets it.

Reading the New Testament chronologically in the order it was written (not the chronology of its internal events) really hits this home. Paul’s undisputed letters are the oldest, and Paul is talking about not even having sex, not as a matter of self denial, but as a matter of “Jesus is coming like, tomorrow, so why even bother with sex. I mean if you really got to ok but the end is so near it’s a waste of time really”.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Jesus is coming like, tomorrow

So save it up for when he gets here - Paul

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Paul's stufg is also kind of fun to read because he was an OG weirdo. Fanboy supreme, picking fights and judging everyone, having crashouts, getting kicked out of places for being annoying...

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

Christianity was an apocalyptic prophetic cult that expected Jesus to come back within a few months or so

When Jesus never came back, they invented the field of Christian apologetics, grew in numbers, and became a state religion

crashing out so hard you genocide/colonize most of the world

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So just off the top of my head doesn't christianity say not to murder people? Is the person who made this saying they desire murder?

[–] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I've encountered a frighteningly high number of people who say things like, "if people didn't believe in god, what will stop them from going out to steal or kill?"

I grew up in a fairly secular household (parents never took us to church except for weddings or funerals) and even I knew from a young age that stealing* and murder is wrong. "God" didn't factor into those morals at all.

*except stealing from big corporations, as I learned as I got older

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

To steal a Penn Gillette joke… I already kill and steal as much as I want already. I don’t actually want to kill anyone and I wouldn’t do it even if there were no consequences.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago

It also says not to have gay sex so it's kind of a mixed bag.

[–] underisk@hexbear.net 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Really telling on yourself when saying that Christianity forbids everything you desire. Terrifying that the thing standing between this dweeb and a spree of murder is a belief in religion so fragile they’re making shitty Chad memes to have shower arguments with atheist strawmen.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

Lots of questions about my “not succumbing to the desires of the flesh” sleeveless tank.

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Tbf, "forbids everything you desire" doesn't mean the same as "you desire everything it forbids". If all you desire is pork and gay sex and you believe the bible forbids both then it forbids everything you desire even if you have no interest whatsoever in your neighbour's ass

Still very silly though

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

If Christianity went against all of our desires then it would have become extinct very quickly. Instead, it encourages many phenomena that are naturally appealing to us. Charity. Forgiveness. Self-sacrifice. Triumph. Unity. The hanged one said ‘blessed are the poor’ and he favoured us over the rich, hence why many of us flocked to Christianity before it became the Roman Empire’s state religion.

I am presuming that by ‘man’s desires’ the author had sexual attraction in mind, as

You know the next commandment pretty well, too: ‘Don’t go to bed with another’s spouse.’ But don’t think you’ve preserved your virtue simply by staying out of bed. Your heart can be corrupted by lust even quicker than your body. Those ogling looks you think nobody notices—they also corrupt.

I think that the overwhelming majority of wives would agree that suppressing lust for other women is good advice for their husbands, even if for most husbands that sounds difficult to do, albeit not as difficult as removing an eye or a hand. This verse was inspired by the Torah, because while it may never explicitly condemn lust, the hanged one, as Amy-Jill Levine wrote, ‘does not “oppose” the Law; he extends it.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am presuming that by ‘man’s desires’ the author had sexual attraction in mind

White Christian men can be some of the most sexually depraved individuals.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

before it became the Roman Empire's state religion

Y'all ever wonder if Christianity was so pro-poor why one of the most powerful men in history would pick it up and start spreading it around?

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Simple. To appeal to the converted masses.

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[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

I got to see Amy-Jill Levine give a talk once, I found her book on the parables really interesting

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

Oh please, the Old Testament reads precisely like a list of things a bronze age patriarch would want out of his flock.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

fellas, y'all should join my new religion called "never touch your dick"

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

Is there somewhere I can go every week to hear all about how I'm such a bad bad boy for even thinking about thinking about it? Maybe with a small, porous box I can whisper to another guy about it?

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because religion was traditionally used to exert control over the masses. Do what we say or you will burn in hell for all eternity. Really easy to do when most people were illiterate and uneducated.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's more like it was an attempt to gain control over the unpredictable and arbitrary material world, by naming and idolizing gods to appease and appeal to, and then the social control and cohesion stuff developed from that: codifying and cleaving to the established social order from when things were "good" because surely that will make the gods keep things going good or return things to a state of plenty and stability.

Even now there's a lot of earnest fear and desperation mixed in with all the cynicism and self-serving hypocrisy and self-serving heresy of the various churches and religious orders. The world is bad, so people appeal to magic to deliver them better fortunes, they grasp for ways to make the magic favor them with ritual or asceticism or sacrifice or violence, and there's little practical distinction between a terrified fanatic earnestly enacting evil to win divine favor and a grifter cynically enacting evil to earn sweet grifterbucks for it.

I feel like there's a tendency among atheists to see all the self-interest and hypocrisy and heresy and fraud among organized religions and just say "look upon these liars seeking power! They spin such silly and dumb tales to control fools and twist them to their wicked ends!" when the truth is far more spontaneous and horrible than that, that genuine fanaticism can go hand in hand with hypocrisy and fraud. After all, no one lies better than someone who earnestly and wholeheartedly believes what they're saying.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

By that metric Buddhism is the most religion that ever religioned

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

The chuds aren't gonna break the wheel of Samsara. Idiots.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago

Forgive my ignorance, but the Bible says you're not supposed to eat pork and seafood or wear clothes made of mixed fibers right?

Because these fuckers definitely do both of those

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

To exert control

If Christianity is a god made religion, why does he permit slavery? Is god evil or something?

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More like endorse, depending on where you read

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[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I bet Rainbow Dash could totally fuck Jesus up in a one-on-one deathmatch

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Walking on water? Turning water into wine? Resurrection? All nothing compared to the sonic rainboom

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[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

man does not desire a patriarchal order where women are chattel? we are going to need to edit a LOT of textbooks stalin-stressed

[–] daniyeg@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

wait so mcdonalds is bad now? i thought it was a core tenant of american christianity

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

they turned their backs on the based white westvrn man after they made their buildings gray and removed the play places disgost

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

That space between the ~~cheeks~~ ~~humps~~ arches is purposely designed to sheath the long end of a crucifix.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago

No that’s Cracker Barrel lol

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To add my own 2 cents:

Not everyone has the same desires. From a Marxist-Leninist view, religion, like many social constructs, persists because it advances the interests of the ruling class. Most people don't want to be slaves, but if (for example) your religion's holy book has a passage telling slaves to obey their masters, that aligns with the desires of slaveowners so the slaveowning class is gonna promote that religion.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All religions are man made.

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[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Don't all religions have restrictions on things you otherwise might do? Does that make all religions correct in this person's eyes?

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they depicted atheists as netflix watchers, it's so joever oooaaaaaaauhhh

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

As if I would pay for Netflix

[–] elpaso@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

weightlifting against man's desire.

Wrong

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Even if God is real and everything in the Bible factually happened as stated, religion would still be a man made social structure. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Christianity opposes My Little Pony and Netflix?

Genuinely lost with what this meme is depicting lol

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They're doing the usual fash thing of attacking consumerism from the right

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah but they fucking love consumerism though

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's nothing carnal at all about the nude, over-groomed* bodybuilding "Chad" image on the right. There's nothing as aggressively homoerotic as an insecure straight dude trying to cope.

*Seriously, even if this dude was real, that curled mustache would get him endlessly laughed at, especially with that haircut and that beard. Dude would be called a hipster lumberjack.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wait until the hogs realize vanity is a sin too.

they’re not much of thinkers. For a bunch of tough guys, they sure act like cartoon valley girl cheerleaders

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

"against all of mans desires" boy, mankind hates immortality and spending eternity in paradise

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

“If this was high school I’d be the jock and you’d be the nerd.”

You’re right. I’m smarter than you. Glad we agree you’re a normie, now fuck out of my vidya Chad Thundercock.

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