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Anyone else remember, in the lead up to the ObamaCare vote, when the GOP used the idea of government officials (death panels) deciding who should get treatment and who should die as a fear mongering tactic?
My my my how the turns have tabled.
It's ok when multi billion dollar insurance companies do it when they decide which med they're going to pay for.
I had to go to the ER recently because my insurance decided to stop paying for the higher quality iron infusion formulation and switched to only being willing to pay for the cheapest options. Turns out the cheap, less popular options are more likely to have bad reactions.
Wish I could sue them, or at least have whoever made that decision suffer the pain that I did.
I can at least be somewhat comforted by the fact that that emergency visit cost them a lot more than the usual formulation would have. Try to save money on my health care? Fuck you, too.
Yeah, just as long as the government keeps its damned hands off my medicare!
My insurance company is my friend! They make the pills that make the sad go away cost less.
Insurance actually generally increases prices. Then they "negotiate it down" to regular prices.
Tables didn't turn.
That back then, as everything they say now, is pure projection of things they did or plan to do.
And then again I seriously have to ask why nobody is looking into New York Trump properties that have a pizza place or other food joint in it, because there's children being sextrafficed in its basement.
There have ALWAYS been death panels. There are death panels RIGHT NOW.
They're occupied by insurance corporations balancing the profit from your premiums and the cost of your treatment. Is it cheaper to let someone die? Can we save the life so they will continue to pay premiums? Can we deny treatment without a media circus that makes us look bad? If there IS a media circus, will they die soon enough that everybody forgets?
I would rather take corporate profit out of the equation.
Every accusation is a confession. Every single one.
Anytime someone says death panels I have a compulsive need to post this:
Frame Canada: Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might.... like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada
Fucking insanity. Nobody but this woman and her fucking doctor should even know about this shit. Unbelievable.
That was what Roe was actually about, the right to medical privacy and patient doctor sovereignty
I said it in another post but these are the actual Death Panels Sarah Palin 'fabricated' (since hers was a huge lie). The government is actually standing between a person who needs care and their doctor.
I asked my doctor, you know, best case, how much time she thinks we would have with her. And she said, 'Could be an hour. Could be a week,' but that we needed to prepare ourselves to be placing this baby onto hospice. There's no treatment. So that was very, very hard," Cox said.
Why bring a life into the world just to suffer and die?
These laws are beyond cruel. And the authorities are actively fighting to deny justice.
I often use pets as an example. We have no problem ending the life of an animal to prevent suffering. But we are unwilling to do the same with fellow humans.
"I'm a Texan. I love Texas. I'm raising my children here. I was raised here. I've built my academic career, my professional career here. You know, I plan to stay. And so I want to be able to get access to the medical care that I need, and my daughter to have it as well," Cox said.
Yeah I don't think you are learning anything out of this. Stay in a state that does not care about you. Like a physical abusive relationship.
I don't really agree with the abusive relationship analogy. Things only change if there are people there who want it to change. While I understand and sympathise with the desire to leave, I have the utmost respect for those who choose to stay and try to make/ be the change needed.
A lot of people have stayed in abusive relationships for that reason: "They can change! I can change them." Meanwhile the state is rapidly moving backwards. This is like being dragged behind the abuser's truck and not wanting to cut the rope.
A lot of people stay in abusive relationships because they don't have a realistic opportunity to leave. A lot of people in abusive states like Texas stay because they don't have a realistic opportunity to leave.
You are totally right.
These people would have shit on Rosa Parks, too.
This was my initial reaction as well, but now I'm not so sure. Somebody has to be the public example, and fight this broken system. This has gotten a large amount of national media exposure, and that is ultimately what mobilizes voters. She also seems willing to suffer for her convictions, which is more than most people can say.
While I get the sentiment, remember this is part of Republican’s grand plan. If they can make things so bad that liberals largely all concentrate in the likes of CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, RI, and VT, they can guarantee themselves permanent control of the Senate and a massive leg up on the presidency. They get to effectively gerrymander America.
They have already done this in the likes of Ohio and Florida. These former swing states are now solidly Red.
Republicans are worried about Texas, though. Republicans cannot take the White House without Texas. But an influx of people and changing demographics are pushing Texas toward purple territory. So they are doing everything to make the state hostile to liberals.
She is also trying to rally Texans to her side, and if she started saying “this state sucks” she would win less sympathy.
Most of the people who are being harmed cannot leave. They are too poor to do so.
This was such a gimme for the “pro life” side. Even the moron that is the Ohio AG admitted that a 10 year old rape victim should be able to get an abortion (he just pretended she didn’t exist and refused to admit the vague language of the law wasn’t clear on that.) All he would have had to do is say “of course someone with an unviable pregnancy that carrying to term would jeopardize the mother’s health can get an abortion, we’re not monsters!” That would do more to stem the backlash from Dobbs than anything.
But, no. Paxton instead makes the case for us. All but the most extreme anti-abortion can see this is cruel. What a raging asshole.
Really just gives the game to the side that's for abortion with no restrictions, now they can just point to this and rub it in that any restrictions are inevitably going to be used as grounds for total restriction.
I just started watching the Handmaid's Take for the first time tonight. JFC, it's supposed to be fiction, not a blueprint.
More of a warning, but few people were paying attention.
GOP won’t stop until every woman you know is dead.
Now, now, let's be reasonable. They want to get the ones you don't know, too.
"Temporarily". Because their discussions are more important than any human being's immediate health emergency.
At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to view conservatives as subhuman. They are incapable of displaying even a tiny hint of humanity. Until there is evidence that they see others as humans, they should be offered no such respect in turn. They are simply a plague of oppression and death.
I sometimes wish they were correct about their God's existence so that I knew there was a hell they'd burn in.
Who the fuck supports the Republican approach to this case? Really what. The. Fuck.
A victory for Christianity. Every time a woman loses control over her own body or dies from an ectopic pregnancy the Christian blood god is appeased.
Her husband could say she cheated and point directly to the place in the bible where it says abortion is allowed.
Can I just buy this woman a plane ticket to Ohio already?
Illinois instead. We actually have programs here to support people from out of state like this woman. In Ohio the legislature is trying to undo the will of the people.
Another stunning example of personal freedom from The Greatest Country on Earth (Trade mark. Not to be used in comparison to any other nation)
For the love of god, just get that damn fetus out of that lady, enough bullshit already... I can't understand, for the life of me, why anyone in their right mind would still have a problem with women having access to safe abortion clinics.
in their right mind
I imagine that's part of it
Because it's about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what's happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it's still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.
