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[โ€“] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't think there ever can be a better icon. Some are experimenting with a down-arrow pointing to a flat surface, but the floppy fisk is much better.

[โ€“] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Probably the closest one is an open HDD but still. Good UI should not require explanation and everyone recognises a floppy disk as "Save".

Same as if I want to send domething and see a paper airplane.

[โ€“] Artyom@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

An HDD is also a deprecated symbol

[โ€“] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Agreed but given the symbol for an SSD would be a rectangle or a rectangle with a plug at the bottom, I think HDD would be the most recent tech that would convey "save" when used as a symbol.

Hard to beat the good ol' floppy though
๐Ÿ’พ

[โ€“] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thats downloading clearly. Which could be synonymous with saving of course in some way.

[โ€“] TheAndrewBrown@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Every time you download, you are saving. But not every time you save, are you downloading.

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[โ€“] kinttach@lemm.ee 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Itโ€™s become a symbol that has meaning even if the physical object isnโ€™t used or doesnโ€™t exist any more.

This โณ is a symbol that means โ€œtime passingโ€ even though the object is rare and obsolete. This โšฝ๏ธ is a rare type of soccer ball/football, but itโ€™s the most recognized symbol for the game. This ๐Ÿš• isnโ€™t what taxis look like in most places โ€” and many people have never used a taxi; they take Uber.

[โ€“] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You know the hourglass was a good lead but then you went overboard.

That football look isn't all that rare, maybe in the US? Same for Uber, I have never taken one and they are definitely not the only "new taxi". Again, maybe in the US this is more the case than anywhere else.

[โ€“] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've never seen a soccer ball that doesn't look like that, as someone in the US. What else would a soccer ball look like?

[โ€“] kinttach@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For example in US soccer the balls look like this: https://www.adidas.com/us/mls-balls

You sometimes might see the black and white ball but itโ€™s a retro/novelty thing.

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[โ€“] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The basic shape of pentagons and hexagons is almost always the same, but the black-white color combo is pretty rare - the balls are usually white with colorful designs and use paited shapes other than the 'basic' petagons and hexagons.

For example, take the soccer wikipedia page The image on the side shows a ball with a design that looks like the emoji well enough at a glance, but you'll see it's quite different. If you go on the wikipedia list page for FIFA World Cup balls you'll see that the 'Tango' style lasted for 6 competitions while the 'Telstar' (the one in the emoji) lasted only 2. After 2000 the designs got really wild and nothing like the Telstar. And that's just looking at FIFA World Cups, ignoring all other competitions and events, as well as balls you could buy at a store

If you were to go look at the balls in a sports shop with some 5-6 models of soccer balls, sure, you'll most likely find a ball that matches the Telstar aesthethic more or less closely, but there will be a lot of variation in the designs that are nothing like the Telstar, as opposed to balls for other sports which are much more standardized.

[โ€“] kinttach@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I guess I was stretching it. In my defense I have never seen the black-and-white ball in play at kidsโ€™ or professional matches. And there arenโ€™t yellow taxis in my city. Yes โ€” in the US.

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[โ€“] FedFer@iusearchlinux.fyi 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Preach brother! Preach the truth to these heretics who doesn't even talk about phone icon in their phones is still from the analog days.

[โ€“] jarfil@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

The digital age phone icon is just โ€”

/jk

[โ€“] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So? We still talk about people being 'three sheets to the wind' or hanging on to the bitter end.'

[โ€“] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

'toeing the line', 'swinging the lead', 'letting the cat out of the bag' etc.

[โ€“] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't copy that floppy ๐Ÿ•บ๐Ÿพ

[โ€“] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I copied a floppy with a downloaded car on it. Come at me bro.

[โ€“] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

๐Ÿšจ๐Ÿš”๐Ÿ‘ฎ๐Ÿพ The heat is on!

[โ€“] Corigan@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Optimistic of you, that we will get our shit together and get there. Can't even mask to save millions....

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[โ€“] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I've used a Zip disk more recently than I've used a manila folder, but we still use those for directory icons (and the Open icon).

[โ€“] marco@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

The click of death will come for them eventually :p

[โ€“] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

As it should be. We no longer use floppies so it can exist purely as its own icon and not be confused

[โ€“] maegul@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Itโ€™s the year 2023 and people are still using โ€œXโ€ to represent the number ten.

And โ€œAโ€ to represent the wide open mouth vowel โ€ฆ and โ€ฆ. You get the point.

I wonder what the oldest symbols still in use are? You could probably argue for some of the old language roots for say water that arguably as far back as language itself.

[โ€“] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Speaking of water... How often do you actually see a drop of water shaped like a drop? Almost never

[โ€“] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

Every time it sticks to a vertical surface, like on glass: ๐Ÿ’ง

This on the other hand, is not how drops fall: โ˜”

[โ€“] jarfil@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's 2023, we haven't even gone back to the Moon...

[โ€“] nxdefiant@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Download is supposed to be:

But what about this one:

With most apps auto-saving nowadays, even Win11's notepad, it seems like a "prevent my work from disappearing" is becoming an obsolete icon.

[โ€“] nxdefiant@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

That's a bookmark. Specifically, it's a skeuomorph of the ribbon some books come with sewn into their binding for marking a page.

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[โ€“] marco@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago

It used to be a piggy bank and peeps from many countries had no idea what that was supposed to be....

[โ€“] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

2246 is wayyyy to soon to have Mars Terraformed

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[โ€“] eldain@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The QWERTY keyboard layout, developed for typewriters in the 1870s, remains the de facto standard for English-language computer keyboards.

[โ€“] Malgas@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago

We also still "dial" phone numbers, despite the fact that phones haven't had dials for something like half a century.

[โ€“] Quereller@lemmy.one 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It only recently occurred to me the literal meaning of floppy vs. hard disk and the distinction between soft-, firm- and hardware.

[โ€“] Lupus108@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago

I thought they were called floppy because of those old ones that were you know... Floppy, in difference to the hard disks inside the tower.

[โ€“] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They were called floppy disks because, originally, they were literally floppy while the hard drive was, you know... Hard. 5 inch disks were flexible. 3.5 inch disks were not literally floppy, but still were called "floppy disks" given they were the same thing, but smaller and with more rigidity in the casing that held the magnetic film.

[โ€“] jarfil@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Wait until you hear why Bill Gates called the company "Micro-soft"...

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