Dude, are you living in your company's server room?
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Lol - not quite. It sounds like a lot, but all of this runs on a couple of HP DL360s, a handful of Raspberry Pis, a nettop box, and a couple of consumer NASes.
"i swear it's not a lot"
Goes on the describe an infrastructure setup comparable to most medium sized businesses
I love this community!
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When I read lists like this, I often wonder, what is this person doing with all these containers and such? Do they actually use all of them regularly?
I've got:
1 proxmox machine serving - Openmediavault - 2 shares (jellyfin, general smb shares) Homeassistant Uptimekuma for monitoring Jellyfin
And some misc VMs for trying out things.
1 pi4b - pihole 1 pi3a+ tailscale subnet router / exit node
I often look at lists of things i can host and think to myself "do I need this?". This br8ngs me back to huge lists of services like this and my curiosity. Do folks actually interact with all these services regularly? Honest question, no shade intended.
Do folks actually interact with all these services regularly?
In my case, yep. I believe in as much separation between services as possible, so each service essentially resides on its own docker host, whether physical or Linux container.
That said, some of my services are stacks of multiple containers. For example. my DNS service is a pair of Pi-hole DNS servers, each running their own Pi-hole container, but each one also running containers for Cloudflare tunnel and telemtry export to Prometheus.
Immich has a stack of 6 containers, Piped a stack of 5. So, out of the 66 containers (that aren't Portainer agent or Watchtower), it probably condenses down to around half that number (eg. the 25 docker hosts I have, plus a handful or two others).
each service essentially resides on its own docker host, whether physical or Linux container.
This is the way. Multiple simple dedicated systems is so much easier to maintain than a single "do everything" server.
It's what docker and Proxmox were born to do!
Do folks actually interact with all these services regularly?
Regularly, probably not, just depends.
If you only spin things us to setup or learn something, no.
I run:
- VMware ESXi, vCenter, VMware Log Insight, VMware OPS
- DMVPN to remote locations like a desk switch at work and family member houses
- Sophos UTM
- Active Directory for my home computers
- hybrid sync to MS Entra (Azure Active Directory) with Entra Connect
- hybrid Exchange on Premise and Exchange online
- Active Directory for management network
- Security Onion VMs for IDS
- Network monitoring like Elastiflow, PRTG
- Docker, gitlab, OpenSalt / Saltstack
- Trellix ePO for AV
- Nessus vult scanners
- Team Awareness Kit (TAK) server
- Active Directory Certificate Services
- Home media applications
These things are mostly to maintain familiarity and documentation development.
It's not much, but I've got a little LG netbook with an Atom CPU and 2GB RAM running Pi-hole and Syncthing.
My starting point (with this incarnation of my homelab) was my Asrock ION330 nettop box. Then I discovered Raspberry Pis. Then I decided I needed a couple of HP DL360s. RIP my power bill.
One day when I'm all growed up I want to have a better setup. For now I've got what I absolutely need.
Yep - fair enough. Admittedly, my homelab is as much for professional development as it is home use, but pretty much everything gets used all the time.
How do people get to so many Docker containers before moving to Kubernetes? I only have 76 containers across 68 pods and that's far too much for me to manage in Docker.
Honestly, anything not mission critical (network/internet and home automation, mainly) gets auto-updated by Watchtower. I have Watchtower set to pull latest images of everything on a weekly basis, and specific containers that are set to monitor only. Every Saturday morning, I check the Slack channel for notifications of containers that need controlled updating.
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- 8 Hosts (6 physical/local, 2 VPS/remote)
- 72 Docker containers
- Pi-hole (3 of them, 2 local, 1 on a VPS)
- Orbital-sync (keeps the pi-holes synced up)
- Searxng (search engine)
- Kutt (URL shortener)
- LenPaste (Pastebin-like)
- Ladder (paywall bypass)
- Squoosh (Image converter, runs fully in browser but I like hosting it anyway)
- Paperless-ng (Document management)
- CryptPad (Secure E2EE office colaboration)
- Immich (Google Photos replacement)
- Audiobookplayer (Audiobook player)
- Calibre (Ebook management)
- NextCloud (Don't honestly use this one much these days)
- VaultWarden (Password/2FA/PassKey management)
- Memos (Like Google Keep)
- typehere (A simple scratchpad that stores in browser memory)
- librechat (Kind of like chatgpt except self-hosted and able to use your own models/api keys)
- Stable Diffusion (AI image generator)
- JellyFin (Video streaming)
- Matrix (E2EE Secure Chat provider)
- IRC (oldschool chat service)
- FireFlyIII (finance management)
- ActualBudget (another finance thing)
- TimeTagger (Time tracking/invoicing)
- Firefox Sync (Use my own server to handle syncing between browsers)
- LibreSpeed (A few instances, to speed testing my connection to the servers)
- Probably others I can't think of right now
Most of these I use at least regularly, quite a few I use constantly.
I can't imagine living without Searxng, VaultWarden, Immich, JellyFin, and CryptPad.
I also wouldn't want to go back to using the free ad-supported services out there for things like memos, kutt, and lenpaste.
Also librechat I think is underappreciated. Even just using it for GPT with an api key is infinitely better for your privacy than using the free chatgpt service that collects/owns all your data.
But it's also great for using gpt4 to generate an image prompt, sending it through a prompt refiner, and then sending it to Stable Diffusion to generate an image, all via a single self-hosted interface.
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A single SFF desktop setup in a Node306. 2700x, 32 GB RAM, Arc A380, some WD reds.
- Homeassistant & associated packages for esphome and Zwave stuff
- Jellyfin
- *arr suite + transmission
- yacht
- uptimekuma
- paperless
- immich
- authelia with OIDC SSO for containers where possible
- traefik for reverse proxy
- Nexcloud
- valheim server
- boinc in the winter
- syncthing for phone sync
- more services for keeping up the others
Soon a pihole to come.
I want to expand my smart home setup. My project this spring is integrating my smart gas and electric meters into homeassistant. We are completely stripping the house so I am wiring up everything with KNX with a nee Zwave devices where needed. Greatly expanding the smartish home.
I also have to set up a proper network. Right now I am using my Proximus Internet Box from the ISP which admittedly is pretty customizable.
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I don't have a homelab ( space contrains ) but I do have 2 vps that I use to host in total 13 docker containers, mail server and an xmpp server.
Edit: My lemmy server is also hosted on them.
What I'm more interesting in is what is it that you selfhost to have so many docker containers?
What I’m more interesting in is what is it that you selfhost to have so many docker containers?
Well, lots of services are stacks of containers - Immich has 6 containers and Piped has 5, for example - so it's easy for the container count to get up there.
Other "services" are groups of containers/hosts to provide a complete capability - Home Assistant; esphome; Node-RED, for example. Then there's just the stuff that, due to my desire for loose coupling, are spread across multiple docker hosts/containers - 5 x Sonarr/Radarr instances, for example.
- 33 nomad jobs, most being containers
- 12 physical nomad clients
- 3 amd64 poweredge
- 2 pi4
- 6 Nano Pi r5c
- 1 odroid M1
- Ceph: (nomad orchestrated)
- 8 OSD
- 50TB total raw disk
Ah - I've been meaning to look into Nomad. I have plenty of admiration for Hashicorp's products. How are you finding it?
At my day job, we took a look at nomad and now we are planning to run everything in nomad. It's just so simple to understand and a joy to use.
I believe they changed some of their licensing from the fallout of their IPO. Just worth noting for the selfhosting crowd. I know terraform is being forked entirely, but I'm unfamiliar with the specifics beyond that.
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Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| AP | WiFi Access Point |
| DNS | Domain Name Service/System |
| ESXi | VMWare virtual machine hypervisor |
| Git | Popular version control system, primarily for code |
| HTTP | Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web |
| LVM | (Linux) Logical Volume Manager for filesystem mapping |
| LXC | Linux Containers |
| MQTT | Message Queue Telemetry Transport point-to-point networking |
| NAS | Network-Attached Storage |
| NUC | Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers |
| PSU | Power Supply Unit |
| PiHole | Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole) |
| Plex | Brand of media server package |
| PoE | Power over Ethernet |
| RAID | Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage |
| SSO | Single Sign-On |
| Unifi | Ubiquiti WiFi hardware brand |
| VPN | Virtual Private Network |
| VPS | Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting) |
| ZFS | Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity |
| nginx | Popular HTTP server |
20 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 3 acronyms.
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I've got one headless cheap desktop PC sitting under my desk.
You've got like a whole DCs worth of stuff. I've downscaled the hardware in my server a lot, but it's still just a single Threadripper 2970wx with 128 GB RAM and 50 TB of ZFS storage and 50 TB of cloud based object storage in a midtower case. I have like 20 containers running, one is a Caddy webserver which acts as a reverse proxy for all the others.
I love to do things to excess as much as the next geek, but I could never find a reason to run as much as you have.
Honestly, it's because I like to play. I don't need PEAP auth for my wireless network, but I run a radius server providing MAC and user auth, anyway.
I hear ya, the answer to "why?" is usually "because I can" 😂
About 8 months ago I had 20x HDDs and 8x NVME drives in my server, totaling 187 TB across three ZFS pools. I could write to the largest pool (2 RAIDZ1 striped vdevs, 6 drives wide) at 250 MB/sec and read from it at over a GB/sec and that was from spinning rust with NVME "special devices".
What was I doing with all of this? Pirating movies and TV shows and running a media server for my friends and family.
I have a NAS and it runs deluge to download torrents, and hosts two very basic websites.
How many W are you pulling, on the average? Or kWh per year.
For reference: Using dual E5-2630L, DL360/380G8 uses around 130-150 watts average unless something is spiking.
With a couple Cisco routers, 4 HP server, adds about 150 dollars to my monthly bill. This wouldn't be possible in Europe.
My current supplier rate is about 0.6 EUR/kWh. I make some 1/2 to 2/3 of my power myself, for a price that's less than half of that.
make some 1/2 to 2/3 of my power myself I'd have to :) That's .66c US per. Mine is .11-12 US / .10 EUR. Mine is 6 times cheaper. `Merica
Insert rant about our power is probably a large percentage of coal and gas (cheap + super bad)
Good question. According to my UPS, I'm pulling about 173Wh for everything except my pair of HP DL360s. Those each have a couple of 480W PSUs in them, but they're nowhere near running at full tilt, so I can't be sure. I really should get some power measurement going...
You're probably drawing about 400-450 W.
Yeah, seems about right. I'm planning on buying a 32RU rack in the new year - will fit it out with power monitoring PDUs while I'm at it.
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3 DL360G8 Esxi
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1 DL380G8 TrueNAS
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1 DL360G7 Veeam
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Delln5070 Extended PVE SophosnUTM
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48 Port Catalyst
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Cisco 2921
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50+ VMs and containers. More enterprise than some enterprises.
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I'm able to get a lot of gear secondhand through my job, so I've got:
One 2u Intel server running proxmox in a 'cluster' (circa 2013ish. Added RAM and upgraded the CPU/storage.)
One Intel nuc with an i7-7th gen as the other host in the cluster - only one VM is set to fail over between the two if needed.
VMs:
- Plex
- 2x PiHoles (one of these is the failover VM) (these also have a few docker containers like Uptime Kuma.)
- Windows arr box (I know it's blasphemy but I felt more comfortable doing that stuff in windows)
- anything else I want to mess with because the server really doesn't run that hard.
Network:
- Sonicwall TZ 300 (incl a perpetual VPN license)
- Unifi 24 port switch (it's gigabit and POE but doesn't output enough power for the...)
- single Unifi AP.
All acquired over the last couple years for the low low price of "it was going into the trash anyway"
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Old laptop, Debian with docker running nextcloud, navidrome, jellyfin, gitea, librespeed, wireguard, dnsmasq, and nginx as a reverse proxy.
Dang, how does your isp feel about that many machines talking out to the internet, have they made you pay for business plans yet?
Lol - I'm on unlimited 1Gbps fibre here. So far, they haven't raised any concerns.
That's awesome, best of luck it stays that way!
Currently 3 physical boxes down from 4 and aiming for 2. It pretty well comes down to a hypervisor and a NAS and the regular aux gear like a switch and modem. They're big boxes though with about 35 TB storage, .5 TB RAM, and 72 cores between them so lots of space to make imaginary computers in.
Right now my goal is reducing the power footprint. Kill-a-watt places the whole set at 650 watts today and I should knock about 150 off when I get the other box virtualized.
Nice - have you got anything setup to monitor power consumption? I've got a few of those "smart" plugs running on Tuya (localised through Home Assistant) but I'm not 100% convinced of their accuracy just yet...
Just the kill-a-watt plug that the main power block is attached to. The servers have stats visible via the IDRAC (R730XD & R820) to break out for those, but nothing that shows a dashboard or such.
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I have a very modest 7 docker containers on a vm on my gaming rig and I have a raspberry pi for my DNS server. Honestly my setup is quite scuffed (in comparison to yours), but it does what I need it to do
Mine's not as fancy as it sounds - a couple second hand enterprise boxes and a handful of Raspberry Pis, mostly.
Mine's pretty moderate in comparison to yours lol
- 2 cloud VPSes
- 2 physical locations
- 4 physical servers
- ~20-30 docker containers across the servers
- 3 VMs
- 3 managed switches
- 5 VLANs (2 with internet access)
- 2 SSIDs
2 Raspberry Pi 4 with a few services running (some directly, some via docker): pihole, pialert, gitlab plantuml, munin, restic rest server, jupyter instance, airsonic-advanced. And an old synology NAS which serves as document and media server
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