Inequality has gotten so much worse that rich people don't even fly in the same planes as us anymore.
That's going to have perverse incentives on airplane safety too. They have no reason to update their laws if peasant airplane doors falling off becomes common.
I have a friend that is a sales manager for private planes. He said business exploded during the pandemic and then never slowed down. This despite flights being eye-wateringly expensive (like, 20k for one-way is a great deal, because you managed to book an empty leg.)
Perception has also become completely warped.
I was out with some guys last night and one of them was talking about a PJ for a golf trip. I didn't know what he was talking about so I kept quiet. I used to travel extensively for work, usually on the company plane so I've spent a good amount of time on planes all by myself with the pilots, so my Buddy who invited me to this outing started asking me questions about what it's like flying private and I figured out pj means private jet.
The guy talking about using a private jet is a fireman. I'm sure he makes a nice living but what fucking world do public service employees use or even think they should be using a private plane to go golfing? I don't even get the idea of flying somewhere specifically to go golfing, that seems like rich people shit, hiring a damn plane for it? How the hell did that even become a consideration?
Eta. I'm not shitting on public service employees. This guy probably makes more money than me and for sure has a better retirement plan LoL. I'm pointing out that this guy doesn't work in finance, real estate or an industry that you might more typically expect to be familiar and using private services along those lines.
We were looking at a family vacation for Christmas instead of all the different households just getting together at one of the houses. At between 12 and 16 people (depending on the company, destination, and package) it was less expensive to charter a jet than purchase individual tickets.
My trigger for chartering was 6 people flying nic pilots. After that, factoring in the cost of the salaries on board and hotels we typically needed flying commercial, it made sense to book our own plane.
This is a guy talking about was talking like he's going to book a G6 to take him and 3 buddies to South Carolina. Small difference in the value proposition there.
You think airlines don't make money on economy class? That's the vast majority of their income. Of course they're going to serve their largest customer base.
"People don't want to pay what you're charging so you should drop the price"
AA: "No"
Repost to scare an economics 101 class.
Would this technically be anti-capitalistic? They're refusing to charge what the market will bear.
More like a supply and demand issue I would think, the issue here being there is no demand for first class seating so they are limiting the amount of "supply" of those seats to accommodate for less demand. Some airlines don't offer first class seating at all, like Southwest.
There is demand for first class seating from nearly 100% of fliers. They're just not willing to pay what AA is charging. This isn't a supply and demand decision. Econ 101 says that means AA should reduce the price, but capitalism in practice says the constant desire for more profit and the monopoly that most industries have been allowed to grow and maintain means never lower the price and find a new way to fuck the plebs who don't even own a single yacht.
That is the definition of no demand. Whether customers don't want your product or the price you're charging, it's the same. It's then up to your business decision which way you go from there, increase coach seats or lower the price of first class. Make the right choice and you stay in business.
AA: "No" cocks gun
They could simply be chasing the largest profit.
If you have 40 first class seats instead of 60 regular seats, why would you drop the price of the first class if you could make more with the 60 regular seats.
Business class costs 5x economy, first class is 10x
I would have to work months to be more comfortable for a few hours. Nope.
Those taking first class peobably have their own jet anyway.
No, it's expensive but not "private plane" expensive. I rode first-class international once because I was recovering from covid and didn't want to deal with the pain of coach (and the travel company that was responsible for my getting covid was paying some of the bill). I'm also 6'4" and don't physically fit in coach. So like, yeah, I'm being physically forced out of coach cause it's too small and I have to pay out the ass to just exist on a plane without physical pain. Must mean I have my own jet, and not that I'm getting fucked.
From another tall guy, how was it? Obviously not worth the price, but is it absolutely not worth the price or just very not worth the price?
It was the most comfortable plane flight in my life. It wasn't super comfortable, the sleeper pod things are made for smaller people obviously, but there wasn't pain and there were positions I could move through if one got a little too uncomfy. It was so nice compared to every other flight in my life.
Those taking first class are often traveling on a company’s dime or using credit card points.
The truth is.If you have first class money you have money to get your own plane and go anywhere without babies crying.
This isn't true at all... My wife and I fly first class and are no where near being able to afford flying private 🤣 the no babies part would be fantastic though.
Who exactly are they eliminating? Their customers or international first class tickets? Or maybe both?
Makes sense, there is no US middle class anymore. The wealthy can just use a private jet while the poor are put on overbooked flights. Wealth disparity is getting worse and not better.
Middle class? First class tickets were never for the middle class. Maybe it's just that
Many who don’t think of themselves as working class wouldn’t last very long at all without their salary.
This. Working class means you need to work to survive. The elite loves to drive wedges into this idea so that there is less solidarity.
People who want to be treated like human beings on an airplane are already not flying American Airlines.
I don't really care about airlines, but AA is the only airliner that flies out of the local regional airport (only flies to a bigger airport a few hours away), and I've never had any issues with them.
The worst I've had was having to listen to a flight attendent talk about God because I was on the last row.
I’ve flown on AA’s international business and first class. The difference is negligible in terms of the seats and most people in them were complimentary upgrades since they couldn’t fill the seats.
The bigger differences were on the ground with the dining and check in. So all AA is doing is creating a “Business Plus” category that gets you the first class amenities on the ground and then a business class seat. This lets them put more business class seats on the plane and open things up to a bigger revenue stream.
AA first has been a joke for a long time. It was an ever so slightly better seat and they served one extra course - a soup - but was otherwise identical to business class service. You can’t charge thousands more for soup.
First class has been dying for years - and the only airlines that will do it, it’s really a prestige thing more than a profit center.
I need to fly from NJ to California in a few months. Economy tickets are around $275. I'd like a bit of extra legroom for the long flight, so I check out Economy plus. Economy plus tickets are $800. What in the actual fuck is this? It's not first class. I get no added benefits other than a few inches of extra leg room.
Buy 2 seats, 1 behind the other, for $550 then walk in there with a toolbox and yeet that seat out through the emergency door onto the tarmac. You get more than a few inches and it only cost twice as much.
If the emergency door is closed you might have to wait until the plane is in flight.
If it's a 737 Max just wait for the plane to open the convenient in-flight disposal hatch.
So that's why the door fell off...
Release the hounds. Leave no witnesses.
Lots of companies are willing to pay for international business class, but not first class. So airlines have responded by making business class nicer and nicer. That, in turn, has made former first class passengers just buy business class because it’s almost as good for cheaper. So people are not buying first class tickets, so might as well eliminate them and add more business.
Worth noting that domestic first class (which is what they show) is a totally different thing.
They're right. Few buy First Class tickets because the uptick in comfort and service from Business Class is tiny for the increase in cost. I fly Business but would never pony up for First.