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He'll only tell you what the job duties are AFTER you're hired and YOU have to pay to be hired? For $10/hr? Even if that wasn't a straight up scam I wouldn't invest time, money, and effort into signing up and doing onboarding if I didn't know what the hell I was doing.
Hard to say exactly what's going on there with that little info, though.
Exactly we need much more to go on
You lost me after "it's hard to explain but there's a powerpoint presentation". I would pass.
Sounds like MLM bullshit at best, or something illegal like being a money mule at worst.
My moneys on answering capchas.
If someone has to say it's all legal, do you honestly think that isn't a red flag?
"it's all legal" is usually followed by "trust me bro" and then you get to learn about RICO
If he has to explain that it's legal, and refuses to tell you what it is until you get hired, it's a scam. Probably an MLM he got sucked into.
He said itβs all legal
I mean, if I were trying to recruit people into an illegal pyramid scheme, that is what I would say too.
you already know this, but if you need to hear it, this is a scam.
anything you describe by "its all legal", is illegal, guaranteed. And don't get me started on the fee to join, it's not even a good ponzi, how is $10 an hour supposed to interest anyone?! my guess is that secret powerpoint will tell you to recruit people for a reward.
your "friend" sounds like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEsm7vDl3zU but aimed for less rich people.
Depends on locatio; in other parts of the developing world, $10 USD/hr wouldn't be too shabby.
I once had a customer tell "I know it sounds like a pyramid scheme, but it's not" which all but confirms something is a pyramid scheme. I'm gonna assume "it's definitely legal" is actually code for it's completely illegal.
It's a reverse funnel system.
I agree, it sounds like an MLM, pyramid scheme, or some type of reverse funnel system.
I like to call it the one sided diamond
A semi-octahedron
but it's totally legal
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it's all legal
Ultra gigantic red flag.
For sure. I think it violates Grice's maxim of quantity - I've never seen a legitimate job posting where they felt the need to tell me how legal the job is. That call-out being in there is decidedly worrisome haha.
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I like how you can tell who didnβt read your whole post by them giving you real advice about not taking this job
Or they missed the /s after the bit about it being a great opportunity.
Even if you miss the /s, the second paragraph makes it pretty clear that was sarcasm. Unless you know people who think getting scammed is a great opportunity.
it's hard to explain but there's a powerpoint that explains when i get hired
If they canβt give you a job description until after youβre hired, how do you know if youβre qualified? If they hire just anyone, then itβs a low skill job and might be too boring for you
thereβs a fee to join
Another red flag. My guess is some kind of MLM or crypto.
$10 an hour
Is that acceptable where you are? Minimum wage is $20 here. Does the wage depend on how much you sell or how many people you bring in? How much does the wage vary each week? At $10 an hour, how long will it take to recover the entry fee?
Not enough information on what the job is, evasive about what the job is, and the entry fee, all combine to sound dodgy to me; even if he says itβs legal, is it fair and moral?
Personally Iβd give it a miss. Only you can decide how urgently you need the money and how far you are willing to go to earn it.
Good luck, and please come back and let us know how it goes!
After many hours of deliberation and a long tearful phonecall with my mother, I've decided to pass on the opportunity.
Join fee + weird recruiting = Fonzie scheme.
Fonzie scheme.
Ayyy!
If there's a fee to join, it's a scam. You don't pay for your job.
A FUCKING FEE for a $10 an hour job? WTF? Nope!
Lol wild right. I think the big selling point was that i could work 2 jobs at once.
Definitely a scam.
The fee to join makes this absolutely a scam, but everything else reminds me of trying to explain my work for Appen. They do extremely strict NDAs and pay similarly, it's legit but it also kinda sucks, or at least all the projects I was on sucked.
Even after what everyone else here has said, I won't get out of bed for 10$ an hour.
I make $20 at my regular job. His big pitch was that he does both at once
How much is the βsign up feeβ? Because, ngl, Iβm really curries about that PowerPoint now.
Sounds like a scam, but hey hear him out it may be legit. Don't draft that resignation letter just yet. I can tell you, with almost complete certainty, that it's an MLM scheme and you should just walk away.
I'd be more inclined to join if they started with "it's a bit illegal"
Absolutely an MLM or similar bullshit
100% a scam and your coworker is either naive and needs someone to tell him that too or is an asshole who's trying to get out of the hole he's put himself in by recruiting other people
It's a scam.
Def a scam. If it's offering hourly income (rather than strictly commissions) I'm guessing it's crypto, but I think Primemerica (sp?) started offering an hourly pay option so I may be wrong
It's definitely sex work. Don't do it.
Yeah, hard to say the exact nature of the scam. It could be some kind of ponzi, paying out the teeny "wage" from the fees coming in from new recruits.