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[–] norbert@kbin.social 191 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I tell my trans and PoC friends as often as I can (without being obnoxious), now is the time. Arm yourself, get a gun or two (a long one and a short one), learn how to use them. Start networking with like-minded people in your community. Get some basic first aid training (medics really just need to know how to stabilize someone). The police will not protect us, that much has been shown; they would sooner club an old man to the ground than render aid to someone upsetting the status quo. When this country begins to fracture and fall apart, ourselves and our communities are the only things that can truly protect us.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 174 points 2 years ago (5 children)

If you want gun control, the best thing you can do is encourage marginalized communities to get lots of guns. That has always driven gun reform in the past.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I almost mentioned the Mulford Act.

Sounds like a win/win tbh, we protect ourselves or we get stronger gun laws (to protect everyone).

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Those gun laws are never enforced fairly and are just a thin legal veil to justify racism and oppression of minorities. If you cared about PoC, you wouldn't support gun control at all.

This whole debate reeks of racist white coffee-drinking liberal. 🤦 And if saying that sounds racist to you, remember what was said about the white moderate back in the 60's.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your opinion has been noted, I stand by my first statement.

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[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

like the bojack horseman episode where women start arming themselves and the govt puts on even stricter gun control. seems insane right? well it actually happened when the black panther party started arming themselves

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[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't trust myself with a gun, otherwise I'd get one.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 years ago

This is a totally fair position. The medical training could still help, especially if you're going to protests and things. There's plenty of ways to be useful that don't require being armed.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 18 points 2 years ago

Dynamite is also an option

[–] assplode@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same, I'd just use it to kill myself.

I'm OK BTW, but do have depression. I don't think it's worth the risk.

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[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 years ago

its sad you even have to think about that.

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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 145 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I want trans, gay, atheists to be able to protect their Marijuana with guns.

[–] Paradachshund 23 points 2 years ago

Be the change you want to see in the world.

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[–] phuntis@sopuli.xyz 94 points 2 years ago
[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Any community that lives in mortal danger should own and carry guns in This Great Nation™. When my friend transitioned, I pleaded for her to get a purse-gun—California conceal-carry laws be damned. She got some tiny Glock .22 or 9mm. Made me feel better at night that's for sure, especially where she lives. Edit: Where she lives isn't the hood... It's red/purple conservative that's very behind the times.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago

I used to sell guns at a major gun store, but I'm also not a traditional gun salesman, as I'm super liberal.

We had a trans woman come in to buy a gun, and a bunch of the other guys at the gun counter were snickering at her.

I went up to her and talked to her about guns, where she could get training, etc. She was a former marine who had been discharged when she transitioned and was really cool. She found out that I was a trustee of a church that was super progressive and that we hosted the annual transgender day of remembrance, and she and I both had a great experience.

Turned out she'd been shunned by her church, and she was super excited to learn that there were prone who shared her faith and hobbies that weren't bigots, and we both had a great time.

She ended up telling others about her experience, and I ended up becoming the regional gun sales guy for the transgender community, and that kinda spread into the queer community in general.

The coolest part though was how it affected the other sales guys. When she first arrived, they said they were dirty I had to deal with the freak. Then when they realized I was fine with it they'd joke about "Chilie's new girlfriend" any time a trans person would come in.

But sometimes I'd be busy with another customer, and another salesman would end up helping them. Eventually, some of them became more open and realized that people are people.

I'd say of the 30 gun line guys, 10-12 changed his they treated queer customers throughout my time there, and a few were fine before. When I moved on, probably 3/4 were fine with it.

While those numbers aren't amazing overall, it was a huge improvement from the 10% early on. I don't think I'd go back to gun sales. I have a career job now and make more than triple the money with great benefits and predictable hours. But I like to think that my time behind the counter made the gun-buying experience better for customers of all kinds at that particular mega-store.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I want a bunch of new gun restrictions, but I'm not against gun ownership. I want required training, required gun safes, background checks, and extra strict laws around higher magazine and fire rate weapons. So while most people would describe me as "anti gun", (I think it's just common sense), I totally support responsible gun ownership especially if you're in a marginalized group that is legitimately in danger.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago

Perhaps the gun nuts know they wouldn’t qualify for most common sense restrictions.

Or they’re concerned that the restrictions will be tailored against them on a political basis.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think better checks is must have. I live in a dark blue state and, my uncle (who is a diagnosed schizophrenic to the point where he's not allowed to have a job because he can't tell what is real versus what the voices in his head is telling him) is able to walk a few miles down the road to the gun shop walk in and be out with any gun of his choosing in roughly 30-40 minutes, and he has done so on more than one occasion.

What's even more obnoxious is the gun shop owner who we know as a family friend, finds it funny. I find it fucking scary.

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[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 2 years ago
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[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago

Free shotgun, cool.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Based.

The only good transphobe is a.....

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago
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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 24 points 2 years ago

My pronouns are 2nd Amendment/them

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[–] pigup@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

"LOL KILL PEOPLE"

Edit: I'm an a supporter of all trans rights and freedoms. Trans people do not have the freedom to kill people. Let me say that again more broadly: NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE.

if you're having homicidal thoughts, know that's pretty bad and maybe let your therapist know. Let's stay on the path of reality and peace.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (16 children)

You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.

Even those countries that don't permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.

Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.

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[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they are coming after them for something stupid like that?

So I started blasting

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't want to kill, but if it comes down to them or me, I always pick me.

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, because there's far too many shitheads that would Matthew Shepard OOP.

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