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I would say 100% of Hexbear posters believe Trump should be immediately summarily executed. In the mean time, though, he's a great comedic subject.
along with every US president and anyone that perpetuates imperialism
thanks for responding to this, it's more than I deserve lol
If this is not your opinion of Trump and every living (or dead) American president then Hexbear is not the instance for you, folks.
I disagree, I think we should give him the Puyi treatment for no other reason than it would be really funny
At the absolute least he should be truman show'd
We'll put him in a large terrarium where he's told he's still president as he is subjected to more and more bizare staged scenarios just to see what he'll do. Like one day we just replace his entire staff with people who look similar. One day we just let fifty dogs in to the white house. We tell him he has to open. Diplomatic channels with the deep ones who have emerged from the pacific. Just to see what he does. The man only watches one tv channel it wouldn't be hard to control his entire subjective experience.
It's like, if the goal is the collapse of America, he's probably the best bet yeah? If shit collapses he'll probably get executed anyway by his own base of psychopaths.
if the goal is the collapse of America, he's probably the best bet yeah?
This assumes that fascism isn't effective as capitalism's immune response, but I'd argue it is.
Yeah, but the competentish fascist we were afraid of turned out to be Robinette Brandon. Covid ended, wars accelerated, he's doing that faux-populism thing, new levels of state persecution of minorities, elections looking less legitimate than ever, jingoistic nationalism.
People just like making fun of the way he exposes the hollowness of liberal institutions.
But in reality I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
But in reality I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
This triggered some neurons. Remember that allegation that Trump once stayed at the same hotel and room in Moscow that Obama once stayed in and he paid two sex workers to urinate on the bed?
Seems like a lifetime ago.
every american president is a war criminal and should be dug up and tried posthumously for their crimes against humanity
*stares in transgender*
he's a naturally funny guy with some all-time bangers under his belt and I think it would be hilarious to see him executed
Not from hexbear, but no, of course they don't. I would wager that you would have a very hard time finding anyone on hexbear or lemmygrad that has anything but contempt for all US presidents. A bunch of monsters, the lot of them.
I see Lincoln as being a lot like Lenin, a problematic figure who ultimately oversaw an important and mostly liberatory project
Lincoln has just been whitewashed all to hell. He didn't free the slaves out of any moral reason. It was just a good piece of propaganda, and he was really just railroaded into it.
I would also like to point you to Lincoln's military service and the largest mass execution in US history. Their crime? Not starving to death. He's just as much of a genocidal scumbag as the rest of them.
I think everyone has cleared up that we don't actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.
Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the "good republicans" will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.
When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there's two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.
To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can't be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, "well maybe he won't take office, the electors could save us". They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. "If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!" And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.
If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn't matter if they are civil, or have "merit" (whatever that means), or if they're the first black president. They're the figurehead of global system of exploitation.
For me personally, i hadn't become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.
I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).
And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we've witnessed into our understanding of the world.
That's probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don't share the view that he's an aberration, or uniquely bad. He's just a republican. And they can't accept that
So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, "well maybe he won't take office, the electors could save us". They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. "If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!"
I went through most of those steps, but already knowing our electoral system was at the very least bad because of math. So after a few rounds of cognitive dissonance I had to reevaluate.
back at you comrade
orange man literally blowing minds, what a unit
:this: is a great post 
thanks comrade
That's probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don't share the view that he's an aberration, or uniquely bad. He's just a republican. And they can't accept that
I think the most revealing thing to ask a lib is who was worse, 
or 
. The sheer body count difference, there's no way a kind, non-fascist person could ever think it's even close.
It's absolutelty the best test.
Trump winning the election almost immediately rehabilitated Bush for libs. Which is all about optics and civility bullshit.
Why they think the deaths of something like 2 million Iraqis is more civil than a grotesque TV show host being gross - now that's what's interesting!
The deaths and displacement of millions ot Iraqis and Afghans are not an affront to their ideology. That does little or nothing to their fundamental beliefs and assumptions about America. But a grotesque, an "unqualified" reality TV star, a con man becoming President, and then having the audacity to be "unpresidential" - to disrespect the office - that to libs is real shit. That shakes their belief system to the core. That's the only calculus that makes Bush better than Trump
Excellent post.
This is exactly why, throughout the entire Trump presidency, liberals repeated to themselves, to their family, friends coworkers, to their Twitter followers: THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It was a mantra for 4 years. It perfectly represents their struggle through the cognitive dissonance of reconciling Donald Trump being the "Leader of the Free World" just as much as Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt.
The question they never could answer satisfyingly is "If this is not normal, how did normal lead us here?" Answering this question definitively inevitably leads to socialist critiques and conclusions. Instead they retreated into the elitism of disdain for "populism" and the idiot masses, while simultaneously claiming to defend "democracy" even though they clearly don't like its actual practice and results. Or, they retreated into the paranoia of a foreign conspiracy, since a foreign nation can be irredeemably evil but never our own, while completely overlooking that Trump mostly did as the Blob (as Obama called it) wanted. He was of absolutely no benefit to any supposed backers, even if they really did support him. And it stands to reason that if they could have rigged it successfully the first time, why wouldn't it have worked the second time? It should have only gotten easier to rig things with a puppet in charge than with a meaningfully independent Democrat in charge. All of their answers were and are a mess of contradictions.
I was like you too. Recognizing that this madness was normal and continues to proceed just fine without Trump at its head is exactly what showed me that I am not a liberal. I would have hoped it would have enough for most people. Maybe we need Mecha Hitler III to be elected via Supreme Court decision before most liberals jump ship.
Thanks, and i appreciate what you've added here comrade.
Particularly about their retreat into elitism and anti-populism. You see this manifest strongly when theres a disaster in a so-called red state, and all the libs just say they deserve it, as if everyone living there is what they imagine republican voters to be: stupid, lower class, rednecks, whatever libs are calling them these days. They never imagine that the average republican voter and average Trump supporter is petty boug, is as affluent as they are if not more, and of the same class or higher. And those peoole aren't the ones hurt when the grid goes down in Texas. The peoole most likely to be hurt are the people they pay lip service to caring about.
Chapo had it right when they said that the really poor by and large just don't vote. From liberals' perspective that's the same thing as voting Republican in effect, but they don't reflect on being resented for this snobbish disapproval and political entitlement, which costs them elections.
Definitely not. He's an odious fascist, or he would be a fascist if he had any sort of ideological commitment to anything other than drawing attention to himself. The fact that he was elected at all is a monumental condemnation of the USA. He just has the soul of a problematic Florida drag queen in there, which makes him a tremendous poster.
No, absolutely not.
Occasionally I've seen someone (there might even be some in this thread) get some stupid 5th dimensional chess idea about how Trump is going to accidentally create the conditions for communism somehow (I saw this for Biden too once). It's the sort of weird nonsense Americans come up with after realizing that our political situation is FUBAR, but they don't want to give in to doomerism and they can't concieve of anything beyond voting every 4 years. It's incredibly stupid and tbh deserves to be bullied more.
Broadly speaking, the main difference between Trump and other presidents is that he says the quiet parts out loud. He is very openly and explicitly bad, compared to the others that put on nice pretenses while enacting essentially the same policies. We often focus more on exposing these "fake friends" because sometimes well-meaning people get fooled by their lies, whereas nobody well-meaning likes Trump. It's just less interesting to talk about stuff where we're all pretty much on the same page.
some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don't know what's serious and what's irony
As opposed to what, acting hysterical anytime he's mentioned and feigning enough outrage to some moral degree? Calling him a wet boy and laughing at him takes actual agency away from some of the ghoulish shit he does. When you act like he's Voldemort (is that the bad from Harry Potter) and not being able to name him is shit he revels in. Literally everything libs have done to try and combat Trump has fallen on it's face and only made him more emboldened. Not to mention it's simply unfunny and often punches down in the process, like showing him sucking Putin's dick. Nice one, way to throw gay men under the bus too.
lol the guy is an Epstein-associated, fascist dogwhistling sex offender, it goes without saying we should flush his ashes down a toilet. Feels weird to even spell it out.
But look. Trump supporters are a large group, like 150 million people presumably. Some of them are frothing bigots, some of them are Go Red Ream politics-as-a-sport people, but some of them, I can guarantee you, just want someone, anyone, who MIGHT do something tangible for them, and after spending their lives watching polite, civilized politicians do nothing while people's livelihoods crumble around them, they're willing to take a chance on someone like Trump. And then libs are fucking baffled by this, baffled that some crass pseudo-populist jackass who bills himself as an outsider might pull more support than their bloodless, sneering, polished ghouls.
Some of them are people like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B1g7mjT1PA
He's got things a little scrambled, but on some level he knows he's getting fucking screwed.
he is swamp-ass incarnate, our big wet sloppy pissboy, may he one day have a heart attack on live TV. he's not the guy we need, he's the presinald the US deserves.
for context I am a taxpaying US citizen (Death to America).
Give me five minutes alone with Trump and a serrated butter knife 
I will personally ban anyone who unironically supports Trump. Supporting hardcore reactionaries is reactionary behavior and not allowed.
But, I think we enjoy, in a sort of dark humor way, the ways that he spotlights the contradictions and flaws in our system. There's also an almost incredulous hilarity to the things he is coincidentally right about sometimes, like making American foreign policy less hawkish.
Also he is the beginning and end of the argument for American superiority.
He never will have not been president and that hilarious, it delegitimizes the office and the fact he was elected let alone the fact he's still a leading candidate really highlights how much this country sucks.
As a European (but not the cringe zone), I unironically support the dang cheeto in his noble pursuit of destroying Amerikkka 
Unironically, I think Trump was much better for Europe and the world. Unlike the presidents before and after him, he didn't initiate new wars. He was simply a humorously inept administrator of American decline. In terms of internal politics and policy, Biden is continuing much of what Trump started (such as confronting China, immigration policies, etc); the rest of the political theater is just what it appears to be – a theater. The disparity between Trump and Biden isn't as substantial as the mainstream press suggests, nor as significant as the zealous followers of both camps believe.
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