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This is embarrassing but I cried when SHillary lost to Trump.

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[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

God this is embarrassing.

I was a high school senior in 2003. I was taking an English class at the local community college. I got into a long argument with a student in that English class.

They opposed the war in Iraq. I maintained that George W Bush could not possibly be lying about weapons of mass destruction because it would guarantee a loss in his reelection campaign in 2004. I agreed that the evidence presented for weapons of mass destruction was not convincing, but I maintained that no president could possibly lie to start a war of convenience and still win re-election. I believed wholeheartedly that there was evidence that had not been made public that would justify our aggression in Iraq. The idea of a president lying to start a war was so incredibly alien I refused to accept it. I refused to believe that our Democratic system would reward a president who lied like that with another term, especially after the shady way he was elected in 2000.

I learned my lesson eventually. By mid '04 I realized how stupid I had been. When Bush won reelection, what little faith I had in this nation and it's institutions, finally evaporated.

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For like an entire semester after taking the intro microeconomics class at my university I definitely believed that abolishing the minimum wage would be good for everybody because something something the point on the curve I don't even remember, it was dumb as hell. I remember explaining this theory to a girl I liked and she swung her purse at me lmfao

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I thought that I had been a liberal but never really a passionate anti-communist, that I had always been kind of okay with communism, but then I randomly found a Facebook exchange I’d had with a communist in college back in 2009 where I asserted that Cuba was doomed to imminent collapse. It was embarrassing. I had unconsciously blocked that one out basically. The reality is that to be a liberal is to be an anti-communist.

I started a liberal club in high school lol and nobody came.

When Trump won in 2016 I burned out my car battery because my phone was plugged into it and I was constantly refreshing the results, willing them to change. I was overseas teaching so this was in the afternoon.

I ran in local elections as a Democrat several times. I lost the first few times because I was a Bernie Democrat but after I actually won and ended up at the table and saw who I was sharing that table with (a bunch of fucking Nazis) I resigned. By then the pandemic had started.

There are probably many many many more embarrassing liberal incidents from my life.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I used reddit

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I listened to Chapo Trap House yesterday kitty-birthday-sad

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

[reads title]

[thinks about the question for a minute, remembers something] oh... god...

[remembers something else] oh God

[something else] Oh God!

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[something else] OH GOD

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[retreats into corner sucking my thumb to prevent my soul from leaving my body] Nope! Nope! Don't wanna think about it! Dooon't waaaannaaa!!!

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The libs inability to break the rules to stopbTrump turned me from a well meaning lib into a ancom.

Watching the rat fucking of Bernie in real time followed by the pandemic response turned me into an ML that wonders if the Soviets shouldn't have stopped at Berlin.

My most lib moment before all of this was agreeing with someone that Snowden was bad because he endangered America.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When i was in preschool i voted for john mccain in a mock election because his name reminded me of candy canes

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

A candy cane would also crash an A-4 attack aircraft, so that's an easy mistake to make.

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Joined the military when I was kicked out of the house, all of the adults in my life told me it would be the best thing for me and set me up for life. So I bought into that stuff and was really excited about continuing my family legacy and becoming a man in my families eyes.

Well, I no longer talk to any of the adults in my life and I’m a non-binary trans communist. Biggest fucking regret and mistake of my life, but also I don’t know that I would have radicalized without seeing the belly of the beast and being a cog in the us navy, but I would like to give myself more grace than that.

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My kid is still in great lakes. Just went thru boot. I'm scared shitless for them, thank you for the ray of hope. :)

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you can, try and stay in contact with them, I went really insular and lost that outlet and spent several years being kicked from navy psych to psych and hearing various forms of “shape up or get out.” When I met my now wife I had someone to talk to that was unconditionally supportive and they pointed out to me how being in the Navy was exactly like being in an abusive relationship, which help me reframe my issues as not really about myself, but about how I don’t fit into the system. The Navy wants you to internalize why you don’t fit in so that you’ll homogenize, and so that they don’t have to make structural changes. It’s really hard to feel like the odd one out in those places without an unconditional support system, the Navy certainly doesn’t provide that.

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

I was heartbroken as they didn't even tell me until they were leaving. I want to think I'm being supportive. But they obviously didn't think I would support their decision to join the Navy. Which is very true. I very much took a step back and got pissed but after processing that I realized I had to swallow my hurt and just support them. Otherwise I would just keep pushing them away.

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I remember the night of the 2008 election, when Obama won, I was part of the collective sigh of relief across the nation. I remember thinking, "now things are finally going to change," and feeling genuinely hopeful.

To my credit, the country was psychotic under Bush, at least until 2006. And then the Great Recession happened, and it was worse.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I remember the entire 8 years after Obama's HOPE campaign where it feels like mostly nothing really happened, except perhaps gay marriage, but you know everything else kind of got worse.

[–] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

The gays got married

And released gay spores

And all the straight people

Weren't in love no more

'cause them gays got married

toxic-gossip-train

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

More serious answer: I joined the Marines when I was a liberal, and probably said some shit like "they do some bad stuff but they do more good than bad" when I did. If it makes it any better I was an absolutely terrible troop, and probably cost the US more money than I provided back in labor, lmao.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

you cost them money and scammed an education in gun usage/weapons operation

have we finally found the only good troop?

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Damn this thread is really making me realize how much further along I am in the jokerfication process than even most of the sickos on this site.

When she lost I just cackled madly. That was the fucking funniest thing that could ever happen in that moment.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was convinced Trump was going to win from the second I heard he was running lol

[–] Mog_Pharou@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Your username is the funniest shit

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As a black person who went through a huge internalized racism arc, when I ventured into leftist spaces that said stuff like "Fuck white people.", I got enraged and responded with something along the lines of "As a black person, that's totally fucked up! This is the opposite of what MLK promoted!'.

I got laughed at and called a "bootlicker", all while thinking I was some cool, grandiose, and righteous figure in this context.

Boy, do times change or what!?

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fuck white people.

As a white (kinda), I still find it cringe. Could you elaborate why that's not?

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

tldr: We colonised and genocided much of the world, and most of the white people in the world now assume that we're richer because we're smarter, not richer because we stole everything. Throughout modern history, nearly all white progressives and leftists have taken the side of imperialism, because it benefits us materially. There's a handful of based white people in history, but they're few and far between.

long version: read Settlers

Edit: if a member of an oppressed group wants to say "fuck white people", the very least I can do is acknowledge all the crimes heaped upon them by us, and not debate bro them about reverse racism or something.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

TBH this sounds almost like internalized racism, but the other way around. We're not our ancestors, but still we need to remember that we're prone to their mistakes.

if a member of an oppressed group wants to say "fuck white people", the very least I can do is acknowledge all the crimes heaped upon them by us, and not debate bro them about reverse racism or something.

Also this looks condescending

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Even though I came from a working class family from the West, I still have a fuck of white privilege. Having to hear "fuck white ppl" like 2x a year barely comes close to what non-white people have faced.

TBH this sounds almost like internalized racism

DID COLONIALISM AND GENOCIDE NOT FUCKING HAPPEN?!?!?

Also this looks condescending

Honestly, how would you like it phrased??? Oh please sir, care more about Palestine than your ego.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

DID COLONIALISM AND GENOCIDE NOT FUCKING HAPPEN?!?!?

It is happening right now, but somehow we focus on past events and some abstract guilt

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

some abstract guilt

Super cool of you to reframe current and historical oppression as "some abstract guilt". I'm making a real effort to answer your question, but it's like you're making a bad faith effort to not engage with it but rather reframe everything to reaffirm your old beliefs.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

If it's happening right now it's not a past event it's an ongoing event still in progress.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, how would you like it phrased???

Same as if a white person would shout f*ck jews/muslims/whites: with an utter disrespect and disgust. If you allow them to be in that position, it's still a result of colonialism and supremacy, but in a more profound form.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I don't recall Jewish or Muslims committing pogroms and wars against us. What a weird response. This isn't going well for you.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Like others said, stop buying into the idea that whiteness is more than a social construct. Idk start thinking of yourself in terms of nationality or ethnicity. That is if nothing else a good starting point for getting over any hangups

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

terms of nationality or ethnicity

Nope. I'm Russian

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Russian to put out extremely bad takes

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

So Russian and Slav. Why not identify as those more than the arbitrary category of "white". I have to live with being Italian, I'd kill to be Russian

[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I voted for Mitt Romney in 2012. I had only been 18 for like a month, I didn't know any better I'm sorry cat-confused

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

lol holy shit dude, quite the pivot you have made rat-salute-2

In my case I guess my most lib moment was thinking Obama would follow through on any of his campaign promises (and believing he was somehow the anti-war candidate close guantanamo etc).

[–] Snackuleata@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dude, same. Glad you got better too.

[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You too, crazy how far we've come huh?

I think a lot of it was the recession hit my family hard, and when you're a high school kid and the "smart" people on TV say its Obama's fault you just accept it. Not that that's any excuse but just goes to show how easily people are influenced.

I actually cannot believe 18 year olds vote, I didn't have a mature view on the world till I was at least 22 or 23.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I actually cannot believe 18 year olds vote, I didn't have a mature view on the world till I was at least 22 or 23.

It should be lowered to 16.