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OPENING CAVEAT: this is purely a rant about my own experiences as a not-rich leftist cis man in a mostly liberal city trying to date women. I cannot speak to any other experiences but mine.

I’m an occasional poster, mostly lurker here posting on a burner acct cause I don’t want to get at all personal on main.

all that out of the way….I am in my mid thirties, living in a large city, strongly leftist (maybe not by hexbear standards but certainly those of….virtually everywhere else), and holy shit does straight dating fucking suck in the 2020s. or at least it has for me.

over the course of my adult years I have rejected one way or another pretty much every structural advantage cis white men typically enjoy (especially higher income) in search of somewhat more ethical ways to get by. I quit my old “real” (bullshit) career and switched over to physical labor work that lets me completely unplug and helps me stay (relatively) fit but also keeps me perpetually on the edge of broke. when I tell women what I do there is a total incuriosity about it, as opposed to when I had a relatively well-paid bullshit career with a ladder - that, strangers can respect. now I scrape by but I no longer have panic attacks wondering what the fuck I’m doing. a personal win that has nevertheless rendered me a lot less dateable in the eyes of my peers. I am not imagining this change in perception, I don’t think, nor did I anticipate it. I guess I should have.

that’s when I even get to the stage of chatting someone up, mind you. when I walk into a small venue or party surrounded by strangers, to steal a line, “I do not light it up.” a single man (or at least a single me) at a social gathering or event is like a fucking wandering fart. (I have described this phenomenon to a couple of female friends and they didn’t disagree.) I guess this helps explain the enduring “wingman” concept but p much all my friends are partnered women I would never dare ask to help me in that way.

I’m slightly below average height which rules out dating basically all women over 5’7 due to idk internalized misogyny or whatever (ftr I would have absolutely no problem dating a taller person if they were attracted to me, and in fact was with someone significantly taller for several years, but since the advent of the apps I get the sense I’m getting filtered out altogether, whether on an app or in person). I know there are a lot of jokes about this but it really is just statistically measurably more difficult in my experience to date women as a short-ish guy (unless you're rich I assume).

in theory I could end my misery of abject singlehood by submitting myself to the mercy of The Apps - I met my last partner there a couple of years ago after a fucking shit ton of swiping - but I am too full of spite to consider going back right now. I hate hate hate using them, hate the feeling that I am entering a highly competitive meat market in which I am clearly a below average cut due to the above mentioned reasons, hate being reminded every time I open them up. also as mentioned I’m fuckin broke and at least as a man, ime, you gotta pay money to make them usable/useful (AKA shoot enough shots to even get a response before you hit the paywall).

that’s all beside my philosophical/political objection to using them which is that I fuckin abhor having to give my extremely personal information to some evil company. that’s why I have tried to manufacture as many scenarios/activities as possible to meet ppl IRL, but it’s been a couple of years of this with barely a hint of a spark anywhere.

here’s another major problem specific to my age bracket and gender: I emphatically DO NOT WANT to try to date significantly younger women, but ime they really do seem to make up the majority of women interested in dating a man my age who lives the way I do (that is, sans any sense of upward mobility or interest in “traditional” ways of doing things).

lastly, I wanted to add something about the cis aspect of all this….most of my friends and associates are women and nb folks, and virtually all of them are some flavor of queer. I’m not really, or certainly not enough to comfortably identify that way. it really seems like all the cheap and no-cost speed dating events and mixers I’ve spotted, or at least the ones that would theoretically be good for meeting other leftists, are queer-centric or queer-exclusive. great for you folks! not very helpful for me tho…

also before anyone chimes in with “it’s cool/ok/fine to be single” or any variant thereof….I’ve already spent major chunks of my adult life, years at a time, on my own. I’ve reaped all the benefits there are from singlehood, and I’m grateful for them, but I’m just so fucking lonely and it gets harder every year.

thank you for entering the leftist cis man rant zone. I invite other hexbears to share their grievances as well. I'm not really looking for advice tbh just wanted to yell somewhere

EDIT: shout out to all fellow hexbears struggling in this area I very much like you all!

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[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

here’s another major problem specific to my age bracket and gender: I emphatically DO NOT WANT to try to date significantly younger women, but ime they really do seem to make up the majority of women interested in dating a man my age who lives the way I do (that is, sans any sense of upward mobility or interest in “traditional” ways of doing things).

why not? and how do you know that, or like where do you get attention from these younger women?

I don't know what it would be like because I've never dated at all. at this point I'd just be glad to be getting any attention. and if they're not immature / can't understand each other due to age gap then it might be fine.

[–] burnerforyou@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

obv everyone is different but I don't love the idea of having a 10+ yr age gap between me and my partner, unfortunately (for me) societally this is not only accepted but desirable for a lot of women who date men (there's literally an article about this on the front page of this website rn last I checked). I personally don't like it cause there's just too much difference (I still remember before the internet!) if/when I hit my mid-40s I think it will feel less weird to say, try dating someone in their early thirties, but idk, maturity levels and rates of emotional and social development vary so much and it's such a crapshoot when it comes to ppl in their early 20s that as a rule I generally steer clear. I don't automatically condemn all relationships with that sort of age gap but they do seem to generate fucked up dynamics a lot.

as for how I "know" that, I guess I don't really... I'm just guessing based on anecdotal observation and such. I will say the last time I quasi hooked up with someone (a significant period of time ago) it was essentially an accident of proximity/via friends and they fell slightly below my preferred age gap threshold and.....I immediately regretted it. it was powerfully wrong. (not going into details on here lol)

[–] bigjimmy@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

not a poster but damn do i feel this. i have a problem where every date/talking stage feels like an extended job interview. i also feel like i'm frequently stuck in what i call the "self improvement rut." typically have these downturns/ruts when faced with rejection or ghosting. it leads to critiquing how i acted when i met the person i was interested in and how i can improve myself for future dates or potential partners/friends. i recognize my big problems as sometimes i have painful social anxiety and lack of confidence in myself. however, i'm not really sure how many personality flaws i can really fix, or if they're even truly flaws; sometimes i'm just like "this is who i am, it's kind of immutable at this point."

there's also the money thing but that's fixed by ladder climbing and/or education/training. but those aren't guarantees to higher income. idk sorry for rambling, i'm a little younger, but i empathize with this sentiment.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My recommendation, find a buddy or two you can get baked and watch movies with. Do this regularly, it's good for the soul.

[–] burnerforyou@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I have roomies for this purpose. Not the same :( incidentally, having roomies ALSO makes it harder to date women my age smdh

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah its tough. Pretty much in the same situation. about the same age, also in a large city.

I've used apps for years and spent an embarrassing about of money on them. I only recently gave them up. I wouldn't go back. There's just no point to them these days.

I also think that as much as we, as a society, have tried moving past some of the gender norms that were so prevalent in the past. But their impact still weighs heavily today. So things like your job, physical features, etc, etc are still things that can really hold you back in the dating scene.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I have my toes weirdly in this space as well. The kink/poly/other dating has it's own problems but it is a lot more chill

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

where do I find the women who won't care that I'm unemployed / on disability? thonk

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[–] OperationOgre@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel you. It's comforting to know I'm not the only one with similar experiences, but also agony-shivering that so many of us seem to be going through it

cw self harmAfter cheating on me, my last ex threatened to kill herself if I broke up with her about it. But I've been single for about 5 years now and dating has been so bad that I'm like "maybe it would have been better to try and make that toxic relationship work" lmao

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have had the thought sometimes that I can't even find someone to be abusive to me and exploit me and it hurt immensely to have it

I know how fucking toxic that thought is now, and I'm getting better, but it still hurt to tell myself that I'm so fucked up and useless there's nothing to exploit or take advantage of

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You know, your job is unappealing to liberal women but it might actually help you with other leftists. I'm another cis white communist but I still have my PMC job and I can tell it drags me down a lot with the women I want to date. I also find that the women interested in me skew younger, which sucks.

I know they're soul-killing in large amounts, but I got some good pictures and find that 20 minutes a day of swiping yields more dates than I can handle. Problem is almost all are liberals. In particular, I'm killing it on Hinge, which has the most conservative population of all the apps. I've seen two vegans there out of hundreds of profiles. I actually did shell out for a week of Tinder platinum or whatever insanely expensive tier lets you filter by diet, and discovered that there's like 50 single vegans in my city, tops. So fuck the subscriptions, you don't need them.

Solidarity. I'm a bit younger, and not really a man, but I pretty much present as such and have only ever dated as such, and... yeah, shit really sucks.

I've still got some kind of white collar job, though not really much of a ladder, just accumulating more responsibilities with not-quite-commensurate pay raises. Haven't really dated in like 5 years, and before that it was just a LTR, so I have very little awareness/experience with dating, but from what little I have experienced I just hate it.

I'm starting to get to the point where being single has been good for me but sorta, overstayed its welcome, and don't know what to do about it. I have similar reservations about the apps, and I literally can't use them on my phone since I don't have a normal smartphone, plus I don't know what the fuck to tell people about my gender identity, I'm bisexual which seems to be a turn off for a good chunk of people on both sides, and I have some unresolved mental health struggles (but like, who doesn't? right?).

The most recent time I tried using the apps there were some cool (mostly queer) people, but I ran into similar issues as you where it seemed like my lack of career ambition really turned people away, plus my difficulty being like, witty and flirty. I'm a bit too serious and I don't know if I'm even capable of turning that off. It doesn't take a lot, especially in person, to get me laughing and joking, but it isn't instant either, and over text I'm just like... what am I even doing here? I got some matches, some conversations, and like 2 actually arranged dates, both of which ghosted or otherwise flaked.

And when I (very rarely) do meet someone I get along with IRL, I'm too oblivious to act on what in retrospect was probably them showing interest in me (has happened a couple times). So I can work on that I guess, it's not totally hopeless, but someone in a similar position but totally straight/cis I really do not envy.

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

IMO if the dating apps are as bad as people say they are, there's always Reddit. Yeah the dating pool is redditors but like, just post about how much of a communist you are, it'll weed out a lot of the liberals

at least responses to r4r posts are generally either real people or at least very easy to tell if fake/scam/bot etc with 0 effort

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

How come fucking reddit-logo can still host personals and pretty much be a haven of all the vices that "drove" congress to destroy Craigslist Personals lea-cry

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[–] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

having been married (now divorced) to the wrong person I guess I have become very okay with being alone. did some dating post divorce but I live in a place where my type are few and far between. I got called too old by my last date (pre-pandemic, set up by a coworker), and I have little interest in getting back out there again. my advice to you is to get a cat

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

maya-devious No main I see

[–] assyrian@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

nothing to add, just wanted to say I'm basically in the same situation. it seems like most people meet online these days, but I'm a 5'4 guy and not particularly attractive so the apps are just completely hopeless.

[–] SoylentSnake@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

lol oh man, anyone who knows me from the megathreads knows ive been griping about almost the exact same shit for the past >half a year - I'm pushing 33 and got out of an adulthood-spanning serious partnership almost a year ago after a number of different long-standing issues made me realize i didn't want it to be my lifelong romantic relationship. work an unskilled manual labor job that will probably be a foot in the door to a larger career, but one in a relatively low-paying, public service position. (i'm also shorter than average, though i think (?) conventionally pretty solid looking)

honestly if i knew being single in the 2020s was this bad, i might have just tried to work things out with my ex (deep down i think it was still the right call to end things, but the misery of being single in our current dating environment sometimes makes me wonder lol). the apps are pretty much worthless, had to pay-to-win to even get a not-insignificant number of matches, but converting those matches into actual convos let alone dates has been pretty much a non-starter. the few times ive gotten promising seeming matches, they've dropped off the conversation but not given me the clear no of an unmatch. in addition to the self-esteem blow this all brings, i also hate how many profiles i have to swipe left on who i know with 95% certainty i wouldn't be interested in - they're people too who are probably lonely like me, and it feels like im just adding another layer of dehumanization into my life as a regular thing. these distinct souls with interiority are reduced to a "meh, i think not" in a human being catalogue. it's fucking gross.

i also know men are "supposed" to swipe relatively indiscriminately, but im honestly pretty selective about my type - if someone isn't some combo of creative, intellectual, also a leftist, into some of the same nerdy shit i am, a lil "alt", etc etc, i tend not to be attracted to them beyond physical attraction. and a lot of the matches i do get check these boxes! but, it's just so hard to stand out from the sea of men/the "meat market" as you put it that those matches just don't amount to shit. part of this boils down to enshittification/the apps not working being better for profit. but imagine if we could actually filter for hobbies, politics, etc as a given with these stupid things??? oh, the horror!

i also think your point about this being driven by loneliness is important. i'd be more "fine with being single" if the world had any semblance of community or consistent access to consistent friendships built into it anymore. but as it stands its "wake up in my apartment box, go to work box where people only interact sporadically (if they get along at all), go back home to my home box, sleep, repeat, punctuated by seeing friends once a month if im lucky (where we spend waaaaaaay too much money to do basic shit like get dinner or drinks together), once every few months if not." i will ask though, what's your cutoff for "significantly younger"? i keep a pretty wide range of Solidly An Adult open (would be open to anyone from 26 to early 40s), i personally think it's too hard to find a solid connection for me to be super inflexible about age. but everyone has their own standards and comfort levels!

EDIT: oh also i just don't list my height if its an option shrug-outta-hecks and while my results are still not amazing i think it's helped lmao i just don't see much upside in it, there's a million different ways a date can be shitty or a waste of time and if height is a dealbreaker for the other person then whatever, they don't have to go out with me again shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] Lenins_Cat_Reincarnated@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We need to recruit more women into communism

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