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Trump VP contender Kristi Noem says no exceptions for rape or incest in abortion ban
(www.independent.co.uk)
Damn. Republicans really like rape and incest.
this post was submitted on 22 Apr 2024
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I think they hope that neglected or unwanted children will grow up to be grateful for any minimum wage job.
If only there were a way to maintain our population during a birth decline without forcing women to have children against their will.
Also as a pipeline of fresh meat for the military
“Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.”
-George Carlin
The whole "rape or incest" addendum needs to be called out for being bullshit. This is just a distraction. Conservatives don't care about this point but use it to demonstrate how reasonable they are. They are not reasonable. Same party talking about lowering the age of consent and marrying cousins. Never pay attention to their words, only their actions.
Exactly. Especially when you consider that, in order to qualify for those exceptions, the pregnant women often have to prove their case in court.
This parody of a court proceeding usually takes so long to get started and complete that they're past the arbitrary time limit for which there are no exceptions and leads them bankrupt from the legal expenses/loss of income for not having a job that lets them take time off.
Even the "to save the woman's life" exception requires a ridiculous burden of proof that means most doctors won't risk it.
The so-called exceptions are almost never granted, but still they get credit for being "more humane" for including them. Fuck that!
This exception has never made sense. If abortion is murder (it's not) then it doesn't matter if the would-be baby was conceived via rape. You can't murder a 20 year old because they were conceived illegitimately.
It's just a way to get fence sitters to side with the anti-abortion people
Cool..cool 
It's important for getting these laws struck down or voted out. Having no rape or incest exception is massively unpopular (75% oppose even in red states). But allowing an exception undermines their justification for making abortion illegal. You can't have an exception and make the arguement that fetuses have personhood and therefore equal rights to the mother. Pressing on this issue makes a lose/lose situation for Republicans. They either lose at the ballot box or lose in the courts.
The only thing the Bible says about abortion is how to perform one, and many American Christian organizations were on the side of safe abortions performed by medical doctors until recently. Their scriptures didn't change, medical science didn't change, so why do they now oppose abortion? The primary reason I can see is clergy and politicians working together to undermine women's rights. They don't care if they are hypocrites or hurt people because they feel justified by their faith despite faith being an awful reason to believe anything is true. I don't understand how anyone can say churches are apolitical and deserve tax free status.
Abortion as a right wing talking point is a long-con that began during Reagan in order to bamboozle a bunch of fucking Jeebus hicks into voting republiQan.
Worked like a charm.
Say it with me:
Pro life policies kill women and empower rapists.
They’re not pro-life they’re anti-choice. George summed it up well.
Listening to his standup makes me feel like a giant idiot. Republicans have been the same party for decades, they've just tried less and less to sugarcoat their views.
Defenders of rape
Champions of incest
Forced birth for child brides
You sound like you want to empower women. The fuck.
Everyone knows this: liberals and conservatives alike. You're yelling at a brick wall.
What she actually said (from the article):
“We rely in South Dakota on the fact that I am pro-life and we have a law that says there is an exception for the life of the mother, and I just don’t believe that a tragedy should perpetuate another tragedy.”
If Trump wins and she's his running mate, it's statistically more likely than not that she'll be president.
What she actually said (from the article):
She considers abortion likely as a tragedy, no? So seems she is saying that there shouldn't be any exceptions.
How do you figure that?
There are a lot of old men, and a lot of fat men, but there aren't a lot of old fat men.
At least she’s consistent. If abortion is murder, an exception to save the life of the mother is self defense (or in defense of another).
IIRC Arizona’s governor was like “Abortion is murder and you can’t do that here. But it’s okay to drive three hours away to commit murder”
IIRC Arizona’s governor was like “Abortion is murder and you can’t do that here. But it’s okay to drive three hours away to commit murder”
No that was Kari Lake, who also doesn't know she's not the governor.
It's worth watching the 2 minute video in the article just to see her try to weasel her way out of answering the question. It's like she knows that her opinion is deeply unpopular, so she tries multiple times to dodge the question. Major props to the reporter for not accepting a non-answer and continuing to press.
Abortion is SUCH IMMORAL MURDER that not even RAPED people should get one! Also it should be left up to the STATES to decide if it's illegal or not because it's not actually that bad!
And this is why any pro-forced birther who says it should be "left up to the states" should be treated as if they're lying. If they truly believe it's murder, then there's no world in which they would tolerate a state choosing to keep abortion legal, and if given half a chance they would immediately ban it everywhere.
"It should be left to the states" is code for "I would happily sign a national ban but I won't say it because I know it's political suicide."
Why is it that there's only one way to teach republicans sympathy?
Empathy, just like any other trait exists on a spectrum. Republican's capacity for empathy is on the very low side, so sympathy is hard to come by.
What is "capacity for empathy"? Ebeneezer Scrooge is the perfect example of a person with high capacity for empathy but lived without sympathy (and therefore acted without compassion) until he was shown why he should have sympathy and changed his behavior Most people are not like this.
For the grifter subset of right wingers (the other subset is their victims), I don't believe they have much capacity for empathy, there's nothing they could be shown to increase their sympathy until the negative effects reach all the way into their tiny circle of compassion which often consists of just themselves, sometimes children or spouses (successors).
I just don’t believe that a tragedy should perpetuate another tragedy
she spoke in favour of the issue being decided by individual states
Rape or incest are not valid exceptions for abortion but an invisible line is totally fine.
When the polls show that your ideas are unpopular with the vast majority of people the only thing to do, apparently, is TRIPLE DOWN on the most hard line version of the unpopular thing. I guess? White evangelicals are only like 15% of the population. They can't save you on their own.
I wonder what the over/under is on whether she’d get an abortion or double down if it happened to her.
Both. No question.
Many people do both!
The real tragedy is that a baby could be born in a context exclusive of love. Pain and suffering was always the objective.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
During a Sunday morning appearance on CNN, South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem was asked whether she thinks there should be exceptions for survivors of rape and incest when it came to abortion laws.
Ms Noem’s interview with Dana Bash on State of the Union covered a wide range of topics given that the governor is seen as a leading contender to be Donald Trump’s running mate.
There was a swift reaction to the clip online with podcast host Fred Wellman writing on X: “Rape isn’t a ‘tragedy’.
Former Obama White House staffer Tommy Vietor wrote: “Kristi Noem is considered a leading contender to be Trump VP pick.
And indeed the Biden-Harris re-election campaign was quick off the mark, reposting the clip with no additional comment other than: “Trump VP contender Kristi Noem says she thinks rape survivors should be forced to give birth.”
Where Ms Noem has changed her view on abortion rights is that she now agrees with Mr Trump that the issue should be decided at the state level.
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