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I feel like I'm going insane. How is this even happening right now? One of two presidential candidates is so old, that his own party is asking him to not run because he looked like an elderly person that got lost at the grocery store during a live presidential debate. The other is a deranged narcissist that was the previous president, clearly colluding with Russia, has be found guilty of 34 felonies, attempted to overthrow the previous election, and has explicitly stated he will be a dictator.
Biden is only like 18mos older than Trump. They're essentially equally old. Like a 2% difference in their ages.
Sure, but Trump didn't sound like he was lost at the grocery store. Most of what Trump said was nonsense he made up on the spot but he said it with confidence. Trump knows his supporters won't fact check him; Biden is burdened with the truth. It's not fair but we unfortunately need someone who can spar with Trump on stage. If someone flusters Trump on stage he will spiral out of control.
Out of two old men, I would prefer a bald man with a stutter who’s burdened by truth, than a bald man who’s such a compulsive liar he can’t remember which lie he told which group.
Great could you convince the rest of the nation or are we just taking about you here?
Never will get the point of infighting in politics, if one sides willing to ignore the faults of their candidate, why in the world would you risk losing for pride and principle? It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You didn't get it. Sure I'll vote for Biden but what in the world makes you think the average American will? Most Americans are legit illiterate (and as racist and greedy as can be).
I swear some people seem to legit have no idea what's going on in this country or who our fellow citizens and noncitizens are
Bingo bingo bingo bingo BINGO
Dems be bringing a paper straw to a lightsabre fights and somehow we're the bad people for mentioning we'd like a candidate that could win
No I get it… just not sure why you think running around in a public forum exclaiming like a chicken with its head cut off will accomplish anything but divisive panic. It’s like throwing gas on a fire, and crying out you’ve been helping.
So we can't even talk openly about our opinions if they disagree with the goals of the Democratic party? See we all have our lines. This is mine.
Imo, politics isn't won by hiding your true beliefs and, for lack of a better word, being fake. Maybe it did in the past, but I don't think you can fool people that actually care.
Based on your comments I would have to assume the things you say will always be filtered by your opinion of how it will impact the Democratic party, and I personally think that's a terrible way to advocate for policies you support (unless you're a politician, which in that case I could somewhat understand). I'm open to changing my mind, but I don't think I've ever even heard an activist say something like that either
I wasn’t aware you speaking down, demanding immediate acceptance of your opinion was a “discussion.” I am but a meek lowly NPC, unwilling to eat your golden apple, comrade.
That wasn't a stutter.
Describing it as such is such a "Don't believe your lying eyes" comment that it does more to dissuade people from your viewpoint.
Trump sounds like he's lost all the time. He constantly wanders into deranged tangents. Why do we have to pretend otherwise.
Not saying he didn't seem more "with it" or energetic or whatever, but he is basically just as old and makes even more gaffes - but people don't care because he does it almost non-stop.
There are plenty of people talking about Biden as if he's the crypt keeper and Trump as if he's a stunning specimen of youth and vitality, which is just silly.
What happened is team Trump caught Biden with the drug test business. Trump got a full syringe of Executive Juice and Biden opted out from personal pride or fear there would be a surprise piss test sprung on him.
(I don't have insider knowledge but this seems pretty likely based on what we all saw)
Biden is 5 months short of being 4 years older than trump. Almost an entire presidency. I hate trump also but we have to stop saying Biden isn’t THAT old.
They could’ve gone to high school together. Maybe his campaign should just spray paint him orange and yellow too.
Being in the White House drastically ages the president, VP, and senior staff due to the insane amounts of stress and long hours that come with the job.
It's not easy.
Biden has been in the WH for 12 years.
trump for four, but he's too fucking stupid to be worried. So the stress never got to him. If he saw something he didn't like, he ripped up the paper, tried to eat it, then flushed it. And trump would have 100% forgotten about it immediately.
Which is why they can be essentially the same age (18 months is nothing in your 80s) but Biden seems so much worse. Biden is used to thinking about what to say, trump just opens his mouth and rambles like he always has.
But with all that being said:
We need higher standards to get Dem voters onboard. A bad candidate that's better than trump is still a bad candidate. We don't need someone who tries to think of what to say but can't say it, we need someone that can think of a competent response and then communicate that effectively.
I don't get this take. Trump has been shouting incoherent word salad and confabulations for years at this point. Biden seems like a decent man who is too old for the job. Trump is a treasonous piece of shit rapist criminal who is also old and senile, and backed by actual fascists who want to take the US back to the dark ages.
I don't think voting will be enough, they tried a coup once and now they're being invited to try again since there were no consequences last time.
Exactly...
He's never put thought into what comes out of his mouth, he just opens it.
So while both are experiencing normal effects of aging, Trump's never made it a habit to use his frontal lobe, and that's where this shit hits first.
So there's no observable difference in his behavior.
Like, imagine you suffered a stroke and lost the ability to ride a bike. If you're Lance Armstrong it's a huge deal. If you're some 80 year old fat fuck who thinks exercise lowers your "battery" it has zero effect on your life because you dont ride a bike.
Biden was pretty unanimously labeled "the greatest modern political orator" back in the 80s. It wasn't even really debatable.
Seriously, he was at the absolute peak of his game and no one could touch him. But he lost it a long time ago, it didn't start recently. Look at the 08 debates and he's more than serviceable still, but already a shadow of his former self.
And to add to this, it's not always obvious that a dementia patient is having an episode if you don't have the context and structure to recognize what they're saying is nonsense. They can string together a perfectly coherent story and what tips the listener off is that they're referring to someone who is long dead or an activity they couldn't possibly have done recently.
And Trump isn't tripped up by forgetting things, because his statements are already made up. He can just flow through and keep telling his story because it's already all just stream of consciousness bullshit. He never needed facts in the first place because he can just say whatever he wants or divert into talking about sharks and electrified boats.
Auto-coups are a lot easier than coups of a rival, because you control the police/military that would defend the government and can delay them from responding, like Trump did.
The fact that anyone (let alone half the country) would pick a literal traitor who failed in every way possible as president over a guy that had a bad interview while sick, with a B+ resume is ridiculous. Just a week ago the right was accusing him of doing drugs because of how well his State of the Union went. We avoided a recession and we're recouping from the pandemic better than any other country.
Hell, just look at the debate itself. Biden memorized 90 minutes (or 45 minutes) worth of facts and used them to back up every claim he had while Trump literally lied the entire time and took credit for everything Biden (or Obama) did.
Between all that and literally being the only thing that kept the Republicans from throwing the US into default with clever negotiations (seriously, the dude fucking manipulated McCarthy so bad he lost his job), the only thing crazy is that people pay so little attention to politics over the last 8 years that all they know is that he sounded weak during a debate.
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