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[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 71 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being the "labour" party, gaining that much of a majority, and not nationalizing everything

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 61 points 4 months ago (2 children)

uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

19th century British bourgeoisie seeing this: porky-scared-flipped

Them after seeing what Labour has become: capitalist-laugh

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Labour parties in the commonwealth have always been imperialist trash, it pains me to see people sweep that under the rug

[–] ComradeEchidna@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lenin calling out Australian Labor over a century ago.

A general election recently took place in Australia. The Labour Party, which had a majority in the Lower House—44 seats out of 75—was defeated. It now has only 36 seats out of 75. The majority has passed to the Liberals, but this majority is a very unstable one, because 30 of the 36 seats in the Upper House are held by Labour.

What sort of peculiar capitalist country is this, in which the workers’ representatives, predominate in the Upper house and, till recently, did so in the Lower House as well, and yet the capitalist system is in no danger?

An English correspondent of the German labour press recently explained the situation, which is very often misrepresented by bourgeois writers.

The Australian Labour Party does not even call itself a socialist party. Actually it is a liberal-bourgeois party, while the so-called Liberals in Australia are really Conservatives.

This strange and incorrect use of terms in naming par ties is not unique. In America, for example, the slave-owners of yesterday are called Democrats, and in France, enemies of socialism, petty bourgeois, are called Radical Socialists! In order to understand the real significance of parties, one must examine not their signboards but their class character and the historical conditions of each individual country.

Australia is a young British colony.

Capitalism in Australia is still quite youthful. The country is only just taking shape as an independent state. The workers are for the most part emigrants from Britain. They left the country at the time when the liberal-labour policy held almost undivided sway there, when the masses of the British workers were Liberals. Even now the majority of the skilled factory workers in Britain are Liberals or semi-Liberals. This is the results of the exceptionally favourable, monopolist position enjoyed by Britain in the second half of the last century. Only now are the masses of the workers in Britain turning (but turning slowly) towards socialism.

And while in Britain the so-called Labour Party is an alliance between the non-socialist trade unions and the extremely opportunist Independent Labour Party, in Australia the Labour Party is the unalloyed representative of the non-socialist workers’ trade unions.

The leaders of the Australian Labour Party are trade union officials, everywhere the most moderate and “capital serving” element, and in Australia, altogether peaceable, purely liberal.

The ties binding the separate states into a united Australia are still very weak. The Labour Party has had to concern itself with developing and strengthening these ties, and with establishing central government.

In Australia the Labour Party has done what in other countries was done by the Liberals, namely, introduced a uniform tariff for the whole country, a uniform educational law, a uniform land tax and uniform factory legislation.

Naturally, when Australia is finally developed and consolidated as an independent capitalist state, the condition of the workers will change, as also will the liberal Labour Party, which will make way for a socialist workers’ party. Australia is an illustration of the conditions under which exceptions to the rule are possible. The rule is: a socialist workers’ party in a capitalist country. The exception is: a liberal Labour Party which arises only for a short time by virtue of specific conditions that are abnormal for capitalism in general.

Those Liberals in Europe and in Russia who try to “teach” the people that class struggle is unnecessary by citing the example of Australia, only deceive themselves and others. It is ridiculous to think of transplanting Australian conditions (an undeveloped, young colony, populated by liberal British workers) to countries where the state is long established and capitalism well developed.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

Naturally, when Australia is finally developed and consolidated as an independent capitalist state, the condition of the workers will change, as also will the liberal Labour Party, which will make way for a socialist workers’ party.

doomer

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 54 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Watch them be worse than Blair Labour

For succdemocracies to work they need The Spectre breathing on their neck

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Watch them be worse than Blair Labour

They already are at this point. yea

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 51 points 4 months ago

sicko-wistful if only "labour" were some kind of shorthand for the Worker's Party. juche is the future Britain needs

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's going to be pretty funny when Labour has this much power and shit will still get worse

[–] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

You doubt their ability to fuck everything up and lose

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 43 points 4 months ago

It’ll be so funny for the libdems to be the main opposition lmao

(To their credit a lot of them are probably to Starmer’s left)

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Absolutely crazy how shambolic Tories. Just a lineup of the most belligerent psychopaths imaginable.

Labour will probably be what Tory voters expected the Tories to be.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

will probably be

Honestly from what I've seen of British politicians, I expect Starmer to be worse than anyone expects

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 months ago

Wonder how many just changed parties from con to labour to stay in power

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

I guess it is democracy because they will be governing like the UK conservatives anyway.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

my brain is so rotted I was like "slow movement of the cortege? what?"

also lmao

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The screeching from Tory media would be pretty funny ngl

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sturmer kissed the ring of murdoch, why would there be? Blair was also beloved

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

yeah I'm probably just coping. This election will be boring as hell

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

Genuinely don't believe this for a second, it's gonna be a win for the blairite ghouls but I don't think it'll be that much of a blowout nor do I think the LibDems will do that well, or SNP that poorly.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Juche labour party 2024 please

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

They will have all these seats and still do nothing good with them, just like the Democrats.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

bro what the fuck, surely the tories are not getting routed this hard?

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

this seems like it would be the strongest majority in a long ass time

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

With one of the weakest ass Labour parties of all time, who are set to achieve nothing whatsoever.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

This would be the strongest majority in the entire existence of the United Kingdom I think.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

smoking-fish lmfao what would tory even do with a majority like this

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Insist he is powerless to change anything for the better because "we're fixing what the last guys did". 12 years later we'll have slid off the right side of the scale.

[–] Waldoz53@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

one of those countries is a democracy and the other is the regime of the united kingdom

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Im blown away that so many people pay for this patreon when the data they use is free, but less surprised that people have the gall to ask to be paid for their fanciful graphs

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago