This application looks fine to me.
Clearly labeled sections.
Local on one side, remote on the other
Transfer window on bottom.
No space for anything besides function, is the joke going over my head?
I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the program at all =)
Modern webapp deployment approach is typically to have an automated continuous build and deployment pipeline triggered from source control, which deploys into a staging environment for testing, and then promotes the same precise tested artifacts to production. Probably all in the cloud too.
Compared to that, manually FTPing the files up to the server seems ridiculously antiquated, to the extent that newbies in the biz can't even believe we ever did it that way. But it's genuinely what we were all doing not so long ago.
manually FTPing the files up to the server seems ridiculously antiquated
But ... but I do that, and I'm only 18 :(
Old soul :)
Think of this like saying using a scythe to mow your lawn is antiquated. If your lawn is tiny then it doesn't really matter. But we're talking about massive "enterprise scale" lawns lol. You're gonna want something you can drive.
That's probably okay! =) There's some level of pragmatism, depending on the sort of project you're working on.
If it's a big app with lots of users, you should use automation because it helps reliability.
If there are lots of developers, you should use automation because it helps keep everyone organised and avoids human mistakes.
But if it's a small thing with a few devs, or especially a personal project, it might be easier to do without :)
Promotes/deploys are just different ways of saying file transfer, which is what we see here.
Nothing was stopping people from doing cicd in the old days.
Sure, but having a hands-off pipeline for it which runs automatically is where the value is at.
Means that there's predictability and control in what is being done, and once the pipeline is built it's as easy as a single button press to release.
How many times when doing it manually have you been like "Oh shit, I just FTPd the WRONG STUFF up to production!" - I know I have. Or even worse you do that and don't notice you did it.
Automation takes a lot of the risk out.
This application looks fine to me.
Clearly labeled sections.
Local on one side, remote on the other
Transfer window on bottom
Thats how you know its old. Its not caked full of ads, insanely locked down, and trying yo sell you a subscription service.
Except that FileZilla does come with bundled adware from their sponsors and they do want you to pay for the pro version. It probably is the shittiest GPL-licensed piece of software I can think of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileZilla#Bundled_adware_issues
The joke isn't the program itself, it's the process of deploying a website to servers.
The large .war (Web ARchive) being uploaded monolithicly is the archaic deployment of a web app. Modern tools can be much better.
I remember joining the industry and switching our company over to full Continuous Integration and Deployment. Instead of uploading DLL's directly to prod via FTP, we could verify each build, deploy to each environment, run some service tests to see if pages were loading, all the way up to prod - with rollback. I showed my manager, and he shrugged. He didn't see the benefit of this happening when, in his eyes, all he needed to do was drag and drop, and load the page to make sure all is fine.
Unsurprisingly, I found out that this is how he builds websites to this day...
A lot are still doing that and haven't moved up
(Please at least use SFTP!)
Some of us still do 🙃
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
One could argue the requirements have changed because the security and compliance part of the world finally caught up to modern software delivery concepts. Even the most dinosaur apps at compliant orgs are being dragged kicking and screaming into new CI/CD tools where applying governance and custody chains and permissions and approvals are all self documented automated hooks.
People don't use FileZilla for server management anymore? I feel like I've missed that memo.
I suppose in the days of 'Cloud Hosting' a lot of people (hopefully) don't just randomly upload new files (manually) on a server anymore.
Even if you still just use normal servers that behave like this, a better practice would be to have a build server that creates builds, like whenever you check code into the Main branch, it'll create a deploy for the server, and you deploy it from there - instead of compiling locally, opening filezilla and doing an upload.
If you're using 'Cloud Hosting' - for example AWS - If you use VMs or bare metal - you'd maybe create Elastic Beanstalk images and upload a new Application or Machine Image as a new version, and deploy that in a more managed way. Or if you're using Docker, you just upload a new Docker image into a Docker registry and deploy those.
FileZilla isn't even that old school, cuteftp was the OG one afaik.
No way, WS_FTP was more OG.
Oh god, I know all of these.
Also fuck Tim Kosse. Bundled Filezilla with malware and fucked up my machine in 2014. Had to reinstall Windows. I'll never use it again.
I use WinSCP on Windows and Forklift on MacOS.
I mean, a lot of docker files out there with COPY . .
Somehow I miss those days. Now you need weeks of training to understand the black magic behind all the build/deployment stuff in whatever cloud provider your company decided to use…
FTP and rsync my beloved
This is how I deployed an app less than 5 years ago (healthcare).
It's sad
I know a place where they still do this. They've got an 8-digit user count, 7 digit monthly profits, all running on one server that costs something like $20 a month. They've downsized a few years ago to single-digit employee number and just sit there and collect profits. And this is why I'm now working for a company that casually dropped a few grand for a glorified CPU usage meter and a few grand on top of that for deployment tool that does the same thing that the old guy at a former place was doing with his trusty FTP client.
Oh please, you didn’t even have to turn the cassette or floppy disc over. You and your luxuries.
I remember this. I also remember using scp instead. And ftp, if I go back far enough. rsync is still my friend though zfs has mostly replaced it now.
How has zfs replaced rsync for you? One is a filesystem, and the other is a filesyncing tool. Does zfs do something im not aware of lol?
Ah yes, war files
Don't forget ear files. Oh, and don't forget the abomination that is the executable war file when you're using Spring Boot but your company hasn't fully embraced it yet.
There's still a few sites I deploy changes to using ssh+rsync. ...which is made considerably easier by the fact that it's just a static website generated with Jekyll.
You will pry ftp from my cold dead hands.
Can you use sftp instead? Pwease? 🥺
Who can afford the performance hit?
My production server running Win XP Home has to have the firewall off just to make all the super secret company internal networks work. SFTP would cripple us!
/s, except about the performance hit being stupidly unacceptable in 2024.
rsync gang when?
I used CuteFTP, but I am a gentleman
"Felt cute, might transfer files later, idk"
I never liked FileZilla. I used Cyberduck
There's just so few decent FTP clients out there, and all of them are very ugly lol
okay, but why did you use a password when the ssh/sftp key is right next to the files
FTP Explorer all the way! Preferred that to filezilla... I mean it didn't support sftp but I liked it.
This is how I deployed web servers in school like 3 years ago.
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