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[–] BobTheDestroyer@lemm.ee 129 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Although he was married briefly, and many years later his former wife was moved to state, peculiarly, that he was an β€œadequately excellent lover,” it is clear from all available evidence that sexuality, procreation, and the human body itself were among the things that scared him the most.

He was also frightened of invertebrates, marine life in general, temperatures below freezing, fat people, people of other races, race-mixing, slums, percussion instruments, caves, cellars, old age, great expanses of time, monumental architecture, non-Euclidean geometry, deserts, oceans, rats, dogs, the New England countryside, New York City, fungi and molds, viscous substances, medical experiments, dreams, brittle textures, gelatinous textures, the color gray, plant life of diverse sorts, memory lapses, old books, heredity, mists, gases, whistling, whisperingβ€”the things that did not frighten him would probably make a shorter list…. The things that did not scare him generally are absent from his work.

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, horror writers usually scare easily, that's where their ideas come from.

For example, Stephan King is afraid of cars among other things, that's where Christine and Maximum Overdrive comes from. (Ironically, he also almost died being struck by a car. I doubt that alleviated his fear.)

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

cars are a bafflingly rare fear honestly, they're 3-ton vehicles that regularly whoosh past people at high speeds and have no actual mechanism to prevent being driven by drunk people other than them not wanting to risk being arrested

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

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You don’t drunk drive because you fear being arrested.

I don’t drunk drive because I fear killing someone since the cops would never arrest my non-black ass.

We are not the same.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Misery was about his drug addiction. Drugs were the superfan. They're always there to celebrate your victories and always there to rip you to shreds at a moment's notice.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, that and the fact he had incidents with at least two crazy super-fans, one who actually broke into his home, where only his wife was present.

He also met Mark David Chapman a few months before Chapman killed John Lennon where he told King he was his biggest fan.

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

non-Euclidean geometry

real.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago

Ah well. non-euclidean geometry was kind of their quantum physics: a super fancy and mysterious scientific thing that intrigued everyone but only few understood.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you exclude the racism and sexism (and probably homophobia, I assume), dude and I share a pretty good number of things that frighten us.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The racism went so far that he had a panic attack when he found out his uncle was Welsh.

This isn't run-of-the-mill skin deep racism, this is advanced racism.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

at least he didn't turn out to be english

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[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The New England countryside -shudders-

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exactly! What with your Bernie Sanderses lurking around every hill and pine tree

[–] Thomrade@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

I am once again asking you to have revelations about the nature and size of the universe, and your frightful place therein.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There were things that didn't scare him?

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[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Lovecraft is Monk confirmed

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 53 points 2 months ago

Plot twist: the story is literally just about a black man minding his own business.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Xenophobic racist mama's boy. But he wrote some great stories.

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

pretty sure he hated his mom because she was bonkers abusive towards him

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago

It's so interesting how so many characters of his just go spend some time in asylums as though it's a completely normal thing for people to do because of how messed up his upbringing was.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't look up the name of his cat.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It was removedman, I'll save y'all a click.

Edit: Lemmy removed the first part of his name. Lovecraft didn't like black people, so You can figure out what it was.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hmm. I didn't know Lemmy censored anything. Interesting. Is that per instance or universal?

[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I believe its an instance thing.

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[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I kinda like removedman as a cat name. Note, I am not being censored for saying the name of Lovecrafts cat.

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[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Apparently his parents named the cat.

Not that he… also… didn’t uhhh, not like black people…

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From what I've read, it was beaten into him by his puritanical, histrionic mother who blamed his father's syphilis and death on the blacks.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Sure, but all bigotry is taught and reinforced. Doesn't give him a pass.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

It's interesting to compare Lovecraft to his friend Robert E. Howard (the creator of Conan the barbarian). My impression is that Howard believed in and was fascinated by the stereotype of Africans as savages which was common at that time, but he still had them on the side of the good guys in multiple stories. His writing is certainly not PC by modern standards, but he seems like he was an open-minded guy.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've read his works. Some stories aged better than others. I sometimes had to remind myself that they were written almost a century ago.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If you liked Howard's Conan stories, check out Robert Jordan's. (Yes, the Wheel of Time guy.) IMO they're really good and faithful to the spirit of the originals. The writing is very different from Wheel of Time. It does get quite dark in places.

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

His predecessor would've been H. Rider Haggard who, while generally considered an archracist because of how he developed the savage stereotype, had African heros as well and pretty deep respect for zulu culture. Haggard even wrote a book with a white villain and black protagonists. He generally was extremely misogynistic though.

You can also see haggard's influence on burrough's Mars books.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

he seems like he was an open-minded guy.

Well that's certainly one of the takes of all time. He's widely acknowledged to have been racist even for his time

[–] ech@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I am in fact an idiot who can't read good or do other things good

[–] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Hah, you're good.

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Or a black person doing


yeah nevermind

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

His nightmares were the ones in which his mother refused his advances.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I started reading his works and while not badly written I find them uninspired and boring so far, in fact I stopped reading and felt no real desire to come back to it. OMG horrors beyond human imagination! It just gets repetitive after a while. Am I just ignorant?

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

>uninspired
>lives in an age where horror culture has been greatly inspired by his works

Uninspired is definitely not the right word.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago

That would be inspiring though, not inspired

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Quite possibly they're just not your thing. Agree the writing is not the best but for me it's the world building and abstract nature of his horror that draw me in which at the time he wrote them were unique and I'd argue continue to be unique as so many people draw from his stories as a source of influence.

I wish his books came in an edition with the originals and lightly edited versions of the originals that don't have the casual racism.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

My single favorite Howard line is when he talks about "...degenerate Eskimos."

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What's up with Lovecraft? I mean besides his cat's name, bc as far as i heard, it were his parents who named it. I really wanna know

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

His dad developed syphilitic halucinations when HP was four years old. He died of untreated syphilis in an insitution when HP was eight.

His mother was a wreck in general and psychologically abusive in his childhood. He grew close to his grandfather, but he died and the family assets were dissolved, leaving HP and his abusive unstable mother living in a small studio apartment, basically, meaning he couldn't get away from it. She also had a breakdown and died in an institution after only two years after being commited.

https://lovecraftzine.com/2013/11/14/mommie-dearest-h-p-lovecrafts-descent-into-maternal-madness-by-john-a-delaughter

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 months ago

Not sure why he's singled out especially. He was born in 1890. You could throw a rock at that point and hit a sexist, racist, everything-ist.

I'm sure in a 100 years they'll say the same about us.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Overly Sarcastic Productions did a great little piece on him and his work a while back.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

When I get to hell I'm gonna talk em into putting HP Lovecraft & Ed Wood in a cage match and see who comes out of it the weirdest.

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