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I just noticed that active users on Lemmy got slashed, what happened?

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 135 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (23 children)

Lemmy devs decided to exclude lemmy.world from the join-lemmy site because it's too big. Obviously that removes a lot of active users.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/pull/358

[–] eee@lemm.ee 63 points 2 months ago (25 children)

That's stupid.

The main problem with lemmy now is adoption, there isn't a critical mass of users yet.

When users see the stats without lemmy.world, they'll be discouraged from joining. Add to that the issues with federation and the few who join will leave because of the steep learning curve.

Way to alienate potential users.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 48 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Yeah. If they pushed it to the bottom of the list, or even removed them from the list but kept the user count, I could kind of understand it. But censoring them completely for being too successful seems like shooting yourself in the foot.

Lemmy.world is doing great and I'm happy for it and all that, but... 20 000 monthly active users does not exactly make them a tech giant that needs to be kept in check just yet. Ideally, instances of 20 000 active users should be quite normal at some point, and having stress tested the software before then should, one assumes, be a good thing.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 months ago

You probably also have the friction been .world and the developers' Lemmy.

There is also a problem that Lemmy seems to be having problems maintaining a good middle ground of Lemmy servers.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

buT mUh DeCenTrAlIZatiOn!

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I want the biggest Lemmy you have.

No, that's too big.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a genuine concern though. If you want one centralised server hosting all the content, just use reddit.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

so lemmy.world became too big to fail and the other instances decided didn't want to risk a potential bail out?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This has nothing to do with other instances. The join-lemmy.org site is run by the Lemmy developers and they decide what happens with that site. They think it's problematic that lemmy.world is as big as it is (as one of the points of the fediverse is decentralization). So they removed lemmy.world from the listing on join-lemmy.org.

Note that this is in no way a defederation or anything of that sort. The site just doesn't show lemmy.world, that's all.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

my comment was mostly a joke, but it doesn't contradict your point, lemmy.word got too big(relatively) so it got de-listed to flow new users to other instances

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[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Right, I didn't think how it would affect the total active user count. Will have to think of a solution for that.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

School probably.

Honestly, what's more surprising is the numbers are that drastic. I didn't think we have that many Gen Z users here.

EDIT: Actual reason can be found here: https://feddit.dk/post/7667476/10289642

Thanks SorteKanin for providing the context.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don’t get it. I work full time and have no problem wasting my ~~life~~ I mean time here…

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

i'm in school, still have to shit from time to time

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Strange, I feel people are commenting more.

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[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] 1984 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

I think because we have mostly memes and any discussion is just won by downvoting your opponent. :)

I'm half serious... The platform right now is lacking actual discussions. Everyone seems to just like memes.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Unfortunately, the Lemmy community copied opinion downvoting from Reddit.

There are good reasons to downvote, but a different opinion is not one of them. This just leads to echo chambers.

There are 3 options: upvote, downvote and the 3rd one is just not clicking anything.

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The platform right now is lacking actual discussions.

I keep promoting the non-memes communities every time I can (usually on !newcommunities@lemmy.world ), after a while it just seems like most of the users do not actually even want to discuss that much, just look at memes (which is also fine)

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[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How does the software pull the numbers? Maybe an instance got blocked 30 days ago?

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[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

School started? πŸ€·πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Part of it is that people also moved on from Lemmy too. Lemmy is nice, but there also isn't very much by way of activity on it, which feeds back into itself. No activity means there's nothing to draw people into it, and not enough to keep them around when they are there.

One of the communities and (non-world) instances I frequented is all but dead these days.

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[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

huh, there's a whole instance just for the Ascendance of a Bookworm anime/manga

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[–] meowington1@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So, most user are passive user. Maybe they leave because nothing interesting.

One another hypothesis is that the stats is not count fully as some instance was not up to the task, slow, ... So the now stat is under-count

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago

So, most user are passive user.

Always has been: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule

The actual reason is here: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/13842484

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