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Debate wrap up: No one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump (talkingpointsmemo.com)

submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

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She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

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[–] MisterCrisper@lemmy.world 225 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Kamala Harris dominated the debate despite the fact that she was given about 5 minutes less time to speak!

It's disappointing to see how the media invariably accommodates Trump. Contrary to the rules of the debate, when Trump continued talking after his time was up or demanded to respond to a point Harris made, they often let him by not muting his microphone. This added up to right around 5 minutes of extra speaking time on prime time television for him to spew his lies. The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators. If there is any silver lining here it's that Trump probably made his debate performance worse by talking more!

I was glad to see some push back and fact checking by the moderators in regards to Trump's most egregious lies. Today MAGA is complaining that the debate was rigged and the moderators were against Trump due to the fact checks while they should be thanking ABC for the special treatment that allowed Trump extra air time.

Go Harris/Walz!

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 118 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The one time Harris tried the same thing she was shut down by the moderators.

And she didn't even put up with that. She just waited until her next turn, went back, said her part, and then answered the new question. Trump was basically incoherent by comparison

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 84 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And she only did it to counter a bold face lie he said about herself.
Not 10 minutes before she stated that she did not ban fracking, will not ban fracking and made the tie breaking vote in favor of fracking.
But he still says "shes going to ban fracking if elected" like dude WTH. Are you paying attention?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 69 points 6 days ago (4 children)

And I, for one, would love it if she actually banned fracking. But that's not an argument that Trump World can make.

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[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 157 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As soon as she said small crowd size and low energy people leaving early he lost it lol

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 80 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It was such obvious bait, I was a bit shocked that he took it!

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 86 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I wasn’t shocked at all (except the general shock that a person like this has ever come close to the presidency). Particularly in recent years, I’ve seen him take bait so many times which wasn’t even intended as bait, but it triggered him. And because it slightly grazed his fragile ego, priority number one for him is to go on an ego-defending tangent that only confuses and undermines any points he could have made about the actual topic.

Harris knew that as long as she peppered her responses with a trigger here and a trigger there, he would be unable to help himself every time. And that’s what we saw.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 46 points 6 days ago

Yeah I don't understand how people are still surprised by this either. He is an unrepentant, raging malignant narcissist. He physically - biologically! - cannot resist defending his ego when challenged.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 37 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I'm more shocked that Democrats haven't tried to bait him this way much before. It's not hard to get him to prattle on about nothing while you look like the grown-up in the room.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 105 points 6 days ago (18 children)

I'm still stuck on this thing about how undocumented immigrants are coming to America to eat dogs and cats, but in the process are being forcibly sent to American Prisons which are actually a front for experimental sex changing drugs creating a squad of latinas-who-used-to-be-latinos with the goal of sending them to dominate women's sports, and the existence of transpeople like myself are an elaborate hoax to manufacture consent for this program.

Do I understand that correctly, that is actually what Donald Trump unironically believes?

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS!" is quickly becoming a thing in my house. That's how my daughter greeted me after school today

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 32 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Don't forget that the immigrants are coming from insane asylums, and are not legal immigrants seeking asylum.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 157 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (33 children)

As one who is 100% on the democratic side, I think Harris obviously won the debate.
But I'm very curious about what Republicans think? Do they think Trump made a good response saying he didn't need a plan because he isn't president?
I was a bit disappointed Harris didn't attack him on the fact that it's been more than 8 years now since Trump said he would come up with a better healthcare plan. Stressing the 8 years, and the result being still nothing. So a concept of a plan for Trump seems to mean he has NOTHING!

But still, do Republicans view this as Trump did OK?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 121 points 6 days ago (9 children)

From what I've been seeing around the internet, Republicans are convinced that the debate was rigged. Harris was given the questions in advance, the moderators were biased, etc. etc.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 137 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So they are making excuses for Trump, which can only mean they could see that he lost.

I also heard that Trump was alone against 3. I guess because they called out a couple of his lies, especially the insane bit about emigrants eating peoples pets in Ohio.

So apparently some Republicans are not happy with how he did in the debate.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago (1 children)

She actually prepared for the debate! And she's actually competent at this sort of thing! Totally rigged!

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 6 days ago

She's a litigator, she treated it like court. Very effective when your opposition makes insane rants.

[–] ValorieAF@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago

So it was rigged, but they won? Hmm sounds familiar

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago

Harris was given the questions in advance

It would need a particular stupid person not to know what kind of topics/questions will come up in such a debate.

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[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 91 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

I checked twitter. Generally they think Trump won. They also think the moderators were a Harris' team and it was 3 vs 1. They think he owned her with the "I'm talking now" line. There's also a conspiracy theory that Harris was wearing earrings with speakers in them.

But no debate was going to change the mind of people already in the maga cult anyway.

For 'undecided' voters I've seen this didn't move the needle much but Harris was slightly ahead.

The biggest win is probably for already dem leaning voters being more excited to get out and vote rather than not voting - especially with Taylor Swift encouraging them to register and vote now.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 62 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Had he pulled down his pants, shat on the rug, and threw it at the moderators, republicans would think he won.

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 56 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

National Review is about the only place I bother to go for an R take on news, and their front page is not very positive about him this morning.

List of Headlines:

Republicans Blame Debate Moderators as Democrats Take a Victory Lap

Debate 2024: Trump Takes the Bait, but Does It Matter?

Trump’s Trainwreck

Harris Was Completely Wrong to Say That There Are No Americans in Combat Zones Today

An Anticlimactic Debate, an Incomplete Grade

‘Childless Cat Lady’ Taylor Swift Endorses Harris Moments after Debate Wraps

Harris Emerges Largely Unscathed from First-Ever Meeting with an Unfocused Trump

Tim Burton’s Stale Hollywood Gothic: Bobbert says new Beetlejuice not nearly as erotic as the musical

[–] Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works 70 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I'm so disappointed :

Tim Burton’s Stale Hollywood Gothic: Bobbert says new Beetlejuice not nearly as erotic as the musical

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 68 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I'm not American, but that was fun to watch. I had my popcorn and everything. It felt like I'm watching Cartman debate Wendy or something.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 67 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (13 children)

He says he won and his supporters believe it. That's all they need. Doesn't matter if he was dominated or not.

[–] omarfw@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Trump and his followers are truth proclaimers, not truth seekers. They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that's what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.

So in general, yeah it's a waste of time paying attention to what their reaction is. They're a predictable bunch.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 99 points 6 days ago (20 children)

The mood in r/conservative seems to be fairly in agreement with this headline. Kind of delicious to creep on lol

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 6 days ago

You are far braver than I.

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[–] scops@reddthat.com 83 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Dominated.

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[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Work has been interesting so far. Not many of the huge Trumpers are discussing it and they discuss every time he cuddles out a fart. Most are saying they didn't have the stomach to watch KuMALuh lie all night or the entire thing is rigged. There's been one comment that her earrings were secretly devices to feed her the answers.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 86 points 6 days ago (6 children)

The trucker I swamp for has swapped rhetoric from "Kamala laughs like a hyena/ Trump is fine" to declarations about how he doesn't care about politics and how maybe we should all just stop talking about it.

Very funny how fast that disengage happened.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 68 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Trumpets disengaging and not voting is probably the best we can hope for.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 45 points 6 days ago

My parents, who aren't hardcore trumpers but did vote for him last time aren't voting and I consider that a massive win

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 96 points 6 days ago

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 55 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I don't get the hyperbolic responses to fucking everything by Trump. It's always got to be biggest, best, worst, loudest. He fucking has no middle ground in any of the bullshit he spews.

I was so entertained when he brought up the immigrants eating pets and how he got called out for it by the moderator. There were a few times they straight up called him out.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Because his base apparently absolutely eats it up. They don't like nuance. They like crisis and outrage and hate and things they don't have to think too much about or have gray areas. They are purely good, the enemy is pure evil, etc.

The country is collapsing, she is the worst ever, etc. It's easy.

Not all of his followers are like that, but holy shit is it way more than I ever would have guessed. And it works so goddamn well.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago

His face when she told him people left his rallies early was fucking priceless.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 61 points 6 days ago (4 children)

We don't really know whether nobody has dominated Donald Trump like that, because we don't know what Putin says when they talk.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And yet, none of it will matter because anyone who had even been considering voting for the racist cheeto is infinitely entrenched and bound by their own logic.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

This headline, it makes Vladimir feel very jealous, da?

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