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J.D. Vance Can’t Explain Why Trump Threw Him Under the Bus in Debate (newrepublic.com)
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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 244 points 6 days ago (4 children)

“Your running mate, J.D. Vance, has said that you would veto [an abortion ban] if it did come to your desk,” said ABC News anchor Linsey Davis, referring to Vance’s statement last month that Trump “explicitly” told him that he would veto a federal abortion ban.

“Well I didn’t discuss it with J.D., in all fairness. And I don’t mind if he has a certain view, but I don’t think he was speaking for me,” Trump said on the debate stage, before stumbling through the rest of his words. “We don’t have to discuss it.”

When JD Vance says that Trump "'explicitly' told him that he [Trump] would veto a federal abortion ban", I believe JD Vance. Whatever was happening in the room at the time, Trump thought that that statement would be most beneficial to him personally in that moment. When Trump said the opposite thing in the debate, it's because he thought that would be most beneficial to him personally in that moment.

The only thing that matters to Trump is what he thinks is best for him personally right now. Ethics are irrelevant. Legality is irrelevant. Continuity is irrelevant. Reality is irrelevant. He does not remember the past and he cannot conceive of the future. "Me, now" is the only thing that matters to him. There is no big picture. His entire universe is a singularity of "me, now."

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 77 points 6 days ago

The only thing that matters to Trump is what he thinks is best for him personally right now. Ethics are irrelevant. Legality is irrelevant. Continuity is irrelevant. Reality is irrelevant. He does not remember the past and he cannot conceive of the future. "Me, now" is the only thing that matters to him. There is no big picture. His entire universe is a singularity of "me, now."

Best summary of Trump I've read yet.

[–] Beardwin@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago

This is how he has always operated. People tend to forget.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I believe Trump when he said that he never discussed that with Vance.

It was actually John Barron!

That's right, baby! The Barron is back and more senile than ever and he's speaking exclusively to J.D. Vance.

^Good God, I fucking hate that this joke could be real^

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They're different people and totally don't have two 2 other family members' names, including his alter ego, Donnie "Johnny" Trump

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"So, Mr. Barron-"

"No, I've told you so many times, Baron is my son."

"Wait, are you saying that you're actually Donald Trump?"

"No, no, of course not. I'm John Miller. Definitely not Trump. Never even met Trump."

"Okaaaayyyy... Mr. Miller-"

"You don't have to be so formal. Please, just call me President Trump."

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

This reminds me of the Competitive Endurance Tickling episode of The Dollop, the guy financing all of it had several online personas they mocked because it was so transparently all the one guy who clearly didn't want to have it all traced back to him

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

In other words, this is classic strong narcissism.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 91 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I can explain it. Everyone is expendable to Donald Trump. This includes our country.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago

And his kids! Especially his kids!

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 72 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cause Trump is incapable of admitting fault. He wanted his supporters to kill his last VP because Pence recognized that America didn't want Trump.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 days ago

Let’s not give Pence more credit than he deserves. Pence didn’t decline to support Trump out of a sense of duty or because he cares about Americans, but because Dan Quayle (!) told him he had no choice in the matter:

Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do.

'Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,' Quayle told him.

Pence pressed again.

‘You don't know the position I'm in,' he said, according to the authors.

'I do know the position you're in,' Quayle responded. 'I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That's all you do. You have no power.'

source: How Dan Quayle saved democracy. Yes, really.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Donald Trump's response if asked:

"I've never met J.D. Vance. I don't know who he is. People tell me he's a fan, but I've never met him.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

You mean J P Mandel?

[–] june@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

Funny, did you catch the part where he projected that on Harris? He accused her of claiming to have never met Biden 😂

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

He’s just a volunteer coffee boy.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 52 points 6 days ago (3 children)

JD knew what he signed up for. It's being Trump's bitch and not certifying the election results.

He's the cushion for pushin in this election.

[–] Ersatz86@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, when you couch it in those terms…

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Best comment I’ve read in this thread, sofa

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

He's n'ottoman to be trifled with.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Seriously. How did he not understand that he's the gimp in this relationship? Trump is going to dominate and abuse him. How does he not understand that's what he signed up for?

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

He understands...he's a power bottom...he's ok with the role.

[–] Whirlygirl9@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 5 days ago

he would just lovea seat in the room where it happens

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Has he met trump??

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honest question has he? I don't think I've seen a photo of them together

[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, let me see if I still have the link

This should be it

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Two IQ pennies confused why they’re in a jar of nickels.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago

They aren't confused. They want the base to understand that Trump would definitely pass an abortion ban, but they don't want to say that outright so that they can keep a few more votes from people who aren't paying close attention.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

funny, everyone else can.

that piece of shit will park a bus on literally anyone that isnt named donald trump

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

I'm pretty sure Jr would end up under a bus just as fast as anyone else.

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

J.D. is just War Boy fodder to Colonel Bone Spurs

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Cadet Bonespurs. He's never held a real rank. He's a draft dodger.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Draft dodging in a conflict where we were the bad guys is the moral decision though.

I don't understand why people bring up his stopped clock moments as a gotcha.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He has never given any indication that he did it for moral reasons. He has consistently described service members as suckers and has expressed confusion about why anyone would be willing to serve. Have you ever seen any indication that Trump was opposed to the war in general or is a pacifist or skipped out for any reason other than it is unpleasant and dangerous? Granted, I don’t know that Bill Clinton was super anti-war either, but I guess it bothers me less when the draft dodgers don’t openly mock service members and POWs.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

He has never given any indication that he did it for moral reasons

Yes, hence why I referred to it as a stopped-clock moment, as in "a stopped clock is right twice a day".

I am not accusing Donald Trump of having any moral integrity.

it bothers me less when the draft dodgers don’t openly mock service members and POWs.

Nah, John "I hate the [slur for asians], I will hate them as long as I live." Mccaine was a ghoul who is rotting in hell, everyone should be mocking him.

On one hand, getting shot down stopped him from murdering more Vietnamese people, on the other hand, if Jane Fonda hadn't shot him down, he'd have probably kept crashing planes.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

People are hoping, almost unconsciously, that hypocrisy still matters

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Immor-tangelo.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What do they say about beware meeting your hero? Vance has finally met his hero - the real Donald Trump.

Maybe Vance should be a bit more discerning in who he idolizes. Though this is just a sample from a life of ill-advised life choices that stem from being an immoral, stupid sack of shit.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don’t believe Vance idolizes him. I think Vance is in this for himself and has no shame.

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Exactly. He's still the same person who thinks Trump is "America's Hitler", he just realized he has a lot to gain from being Hitler's #2.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Didn't work out great for Himmler

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Or for a more contemporary example, see Mike Pence.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago

Yep.

Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick Ohio Sen. JD Vance was once a fervent critic of the former president. In private messages, he wondered ahead of Trump’s election whether he was “America’s Hitler” and in 2017 said the then-president was a “moral disaster.” In public, he agreed Trump was a “total fraud” who didn’t care about regular people and called him “reprehensible.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/kfile-jd-vance-comments-trump/index.html

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Vance was asking for it. U see the couch he was wearing????

[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

Cuz that's what narcissists do! Its about meeeeeeee!

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah! He should've done it on a street!!

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 days ago

I think it's the eyeliner. Trump prefers a lighter shade.