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[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Have more taglines like "Hey [username], read Lenin's Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism." That got me to read it, then I checked out a book of his selected writings. The command worked!

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Got me to read sonic erotica so..

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This, but unironically. We need a Summoning Salt for Marxist theorists.

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

This is truly the answer

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Post "The State and Revolution" line by line in the trans megathread, but in the form of a conversation.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm not sure if this thread is a parody of the other thread about Chapelle Roan, but taking it at face value -

Honestly it was interacting with y'all that got me to take reading theory more seriously. I had read a few basic things like the Manifesto and some other short things, but hanging around this community and seeing all the discussions from people more learned than I really got me to tuck into Lenin and Stalin's works.

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is parodying those threads but also hexbears should read theory more.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I figured but didn't know for sure

[–] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

same here. bullying me to 'read theory' actually worked

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[–] shreddingitlater@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Look, there's a very simple answer here - standardized testing. The hordes of people yearning to post on hexbear will not be discouraged by a volume of text or two which they must read and then pass a test on in order to create an account (entrance exams).

In order to maintain an account in good standing, all accounts must regularly undergo testing on some randomly chosen Marxist text from a list determined The People's School Board (it will be all Marxists texts of course, all of them).

Failure to pass bimonthly testing will put your account in bad standing and you will become unable to post to or see "fun" coms (badposting, the_dunk_tank, shrekland) until your standing improves. Only theory comms will be viewable and only questions or commentary on theory will not be removed. Failure to pass even one test within a year will result in a ban.

It's really that easy!

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

SmallBeanPoster: "Why was I banned? I got 9/10 correct answers."

PowerMod: "You did. But you also spelled bourgeoisie wrong."

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago

We should do this unironically, but without the bans and stuff.

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is such a good idea. Are you a teacher? Lol

Just wanted to add to this. Instead of points. We have users score on the last test and overall grade since they were a user on the site. Report Cards will submitted at the end of the year. You will have a cumulative GPA. You are only sent to theory purgatory once you are failing for the whole school year. We will have long written responses where a group of hexbears will grade you and give you feedback. High scoring students will get extra badges.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Let's get people to actually read the full text of the articles posted first. Baby steps lol.

But seriously, yeah I just quote leftist theory on this website whenever I feel it's relevant. Just giving some exposure to the ideas.

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I read theory but don't read the articles

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Idk that might be too much to ask

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't worry, I'll keep quoting the important bits in the comments, along with quoting leftist theory. Hexbears will absorb it eventually, through osmosis I guess.

[–] Vingst@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

has it been adapted to anime?

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Nico has just been looking for the last few pages of State and Rev

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

[REDACTED LIST] got me to finally read Lenin, highly recommend it. It's convenient to read on my phone during lulls in the day, finally got through beginner-advanced and now I just have Org theory left (I had read other various pieces from Marx, Engels, Politzer, etc. before but this list got me into Lenin specifically). lenin-laugh

Edit: see the comment thread, I'm spooked about the list I linked originally. Just use the Prolewiki beginner guide linked below IMO.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't understand why diamat is put at the very beginning? I'm putting a book together to radicalize my wife and it's wagelabour and capital, socialism from utopian to scientific and then state and revolution.

Also why is it using google analytics?? What the fuck

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

I don't understand why diamat is put at the very beginning?

In my opinion, understanding Diamat from the get-go is important, it makes the rest of Marxism-Leninism easier to learn and analyze. It puts you in the right frame of mind.

Also why is it using google analytics?? What the fuck

I did not know this, can you elaborate? I'm not great with that kind of stuff i-love-not-thinking so I can remove it from my comment if it's unsafe, don't want to put anyone in privacy risk. I found it on Lemmygrad and it seemed to be alright, so that's why I've been using it.

Failing the one I linked, Prolewiki's is great too but not nearly as comprehensive or in-depth, not that it's trying to be. It's just the basics, but I highly recommend Politzer's Elementary Principles of Philosophy regardless, it's the best intro to Diamat IMO.

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[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

First you'd have to get me to read, nerd

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Just did. Gottem

[–] darkmode@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

screenshot each page and post them on main

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Posting one page of Lenin every day until the empire collapses

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Conlang translation challenge (said as if joking, but with a faint voice in the back of my mind telling me that it might actually work)

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

It probably would tbh

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I’ve been trying to get people to do this irl but it’s harder than it seems chat. Especially when you get the reputation as the only outspoken socialist in the group deeper-sadness

This is just life in America I’m afraid

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Nah, I'm in Europe and it's similar, being the only openly Marxist even in a quite progressive group of friends means you're seen kinda as a good-hearted crazy radical.

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[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I tried throwing a copy or Imperialism: the Highest Stage or Capitalism at HexBear but it just broke my computer screen.

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How do we get people on hexbear to read Latin?

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Convince them to buy paperbacks as an act of consumerism, then, a couple weeks later, cause a widespread internet outage.

[–] TheaJo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

connect it to deep space nine somehow

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

Memes (seriously).

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Audiobooks worked for me. I was already listening to 6+ hours of podcasts a day so 🤷‍♀️

[–] Venat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Two things you can do:

  • ChatGPT bullet points summaries of people who just post excerpts from news articles and treat that as a genuine comment or interpretation of the facts thereof, with a prompt like "analyze this but from a marxist leninist analysis". (That really annoys me btw, people just posting a paragraph and highlighting it. Say what you mean/interpret. It's a lot t have the reader have to sus out what you mean".)

  • Read a page at a time of State and Revolution and Imperialism: Highest Stage of Capitalism. Afterward, just paraphrase the theories from those publications and remember to cite his works when addressing topics of conversation like news, politics, and economics.

e.g: Saying something as common knowledge in Hexbear like "Police are inherently reactionary in a bourgeois state since state violence is the means of mediation of class conflict between the capitalist and labor classes." is in fact, Lenin's premise of why the state exists in State and Revolution.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

ChatGPT bullet points summaries of people who just post excerpts from news articles and treat that as a genuine comment or interpretation of the facts thereof, with a prompt like "analyze this but from a marxist leninist analysis". (That really annoys me btw, people just posting a paragraph and highlighting it. Say what you mean/interpret. It's a lot t have the reader have to sus out what you mean".)

I don't like this. Marxist analysis is very detailed and has a lot of depth to it and a lot of ways to go wrong. ChatGPT is almost entirely trained on liberal sources, and thus results in a liberal impersonation of Marxist analysis. Marxist analysis is a method of thought, not a syntax, making LLMs struggle with it quite a bit.

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[–] autism_2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Can anyone here make a yuri novel?

[–] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Add it to the 100%-happening Tamemoji game where the user myst copy and paste a paragraph of theory from the Marxists.org website to feed their tamemoji every week.

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