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This is not an anti-Kindle rant. I have purchased (rented?) several Kindle titles myself.

However, YSK that you are only licensing access to the book from Amazon, you don't own it like a physical book.

There have been cases where Amazon deletes a title from all devices. (Ironically, one version of "1984" was one such title).

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

There have also been cases where a customer violated Amazon's terms of service and lost access to all of their Kindle e-books. Amazon has all the power in this relationship. They can and do change the rules on us lowly peasants from time to time.

Here are the terms of use:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201014950

Note, there are indeed ways to download your books and import them into something like Calibre (and remove the DRM from the books). If you do some web searches (and/or search YouTube) you can probably figure it out.

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[–] spiritsong@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

Not an American, but I did buy digital books on Amazon and Kindle.

Have you seen the new ruling about games from California? Doest that apply to ebooks (since its digital goods?) Or not?

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Kobo and epub only. Anything else, you don't own and you shouldn't pay for it.

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago

Technically, we're one update away from Kobo taking our device away too. I do love my KOReader on my Clara 2E though

[–] tibi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Amazon is on my shit list and will not buy any products from them ever again. They are one of the worst monopolist mega corporations. They treat their employees like slaves, are anti-repair, anti-consumer.

I gifted an older Kindle to my sister, and the screen broke (out of warranty). I contacted Amazon about it, and they basically said they don't make replacement parts and don't service the kindles, they can only give me a small discount for buying a new one.

I looked up a guide on doing it myself, and even if I find a replacement screen, it's really difficult. The screen is glued with a strong adhesive. The entire device looks very cheaply built and deliberately made really difficult to repair.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 23 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Like hell I don't. Calibre plus NoDRM says otherwise.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

Any Kindle owner should go find out how easy it is to get library books on their Kindle. It’s totally the way to go. You don’t have to buy their shit and deal with their rules.

[–] sunshine@lemmy.ml 33 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You don't own your Kindle books because you bought them from Amazon

I don't own mine because I pirated them

We are not the same

edit: I actually try to circle back around and buy physical copies of any book I really enjoy. But I'm much better about paying for video games, tabletop games, and even journalism than I am fiction... I think my bezos resentment gets in the way a bit there.

[–] tabularasa@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Better to give to their patreon if possible. Awesome authors like Shirlatoon have them. Because, quite frankly, fuck the publishers too.

[–] Starb3an@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

I'm subscribed! It's one of my favorite series. Also, The Mark of the Fool is another good series.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

If you like HWFWM check out the Mayor of Noobtown.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

He who fights with monsters.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago

Or The Wandering Inn. It's a slow burn, but it burns for ages.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 56 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I've used Calibre and stripped DRM off eBooks, definitely recommend.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Does that still work? Last time I tried I had no luck

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

For Kindle specific ripping, I think it changed a year back and now you need to have a kindle connected before the Amazon servers poop out some magic unlock key/the whole book. After that you're golden, but during the rip you need a kindle device..

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/remove-ebook-drm-with-calibre#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99re%20using%20Kindle%20e-ink%20devices%2C%20connect%20Kindle,DeDRM%20plugin%20and%20click%20the%20Customize%20plugin%20button.

They explain the Kindle difference when using Calibre DeDRM tool in this article.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's a really nice app. Very customizable.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like a lot of work. Since , and I am showing my age, limewire I will just put on my pirate hat and read as I decide.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Takes a small effort to set up (install Calibre, install NoDRM plugin, apply Kindle serial to plugin), but once it's done, the rest is literally drag and drop, it removes DRM from your books automagically.

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 13 hours ago

yo ho yo ho...a pirate's life for me...

Sorry, what are we talking about?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'll just keep using my local public library.

Most of them lend eBooks these days so I know I won't get to keep them regardless, but I also don't have to pay for them.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

And the author is getting paid.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

That's why you shouldn't buy books from Amazon or other online ebook stores instead just download the ePubs elsewhere.

I'd also highly recommend KOreader if you have a Kindle or Ereader which supports it, as it supports many more formats and has a nice interface.

[–] AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Thank you for introducing me to KOReader and Kindle jailbreaking.

Fortunately, the Kindle Paperwhite I use is no longer supported, and is compatible with few of the jailbreaks out there.

A good rabbit hole to dive into over the weekend.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The interface is 100% of the reason I won't use it. It's by far the worst experience for navigating a library I've ever seen. It's just access to your filesystem, except with effectively no files on the screen at a time.

There's no tags, no ability to choose between by author, series, publisher, genre, etc, just a really bad presentation of your filesystem.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 25 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

I hate that pirating is the ONLY way to even semi own what you buy. Bought an album off Bandcamp (DRM free music) and when one of the songs on that album got in a pointless argument about copyright and got taken down from my Spotify playlists.

Songs being taken off of Spotify is really common if you're into older stuff as the rights get passed on when the artist dies. Though in this case it was a year old album.

I was glad I bought it DRM free as I thought they could only unlist it from the store, not from libraries... until I saw it was gone there too.
I payed MONEY for them to take it out of my library on a DRM free site. That's like them taking my music CD and scratching it with sandpaper.

Pirating literally gives me the same experience as buying it for literally no issue. (except the lossless files but who cares)

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

Some songs get taken down and relisted under different albums. I've had this happen with a lot of lofi music I thought was gone. Worth double checking!

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

You are right I get my books for my kindle from torrents. I do not own them. I also don't pay for them.

(Also library has epubs, librarys are great)

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 42 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I use Calibre to remove the DRM from all ebooks I buy. Not that I buy a lot of them, but hell if I’ll let Amazon be the keeper of the keys.

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 93 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

I haven't used Kindles personally ever, but I helped my neighbor export their kindle collection a few years ago.

It dumped it into mobi files to use with calibre. Then from there, you can convert them into epubs.

I recall it being straightforward. Probably something a kindle owner should do periodically to back up their collection.

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[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 27 points 19 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago

As someone who publishes on Amazon if you buy my book and Amazon takes it from you PM I will send said customer a epub version for free.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 12 points 17 hours ago (13 children)

This is why I pirate my media, and you should too!

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