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Not raisins, but dried cranberries in stuffing is insane, especially if there's sausage in the stuffing too.

[–] Kystael@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 hours ago

anglo-saxons

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 17 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Oatmeal Raisin > Chocolate Chip.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Trolling used to mean something.

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

bait used to be false

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Yep but oatmeal chocolate beats them all

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

But it's better without the raisins...

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)
[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago
[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 15 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

If this were another race and another food this would be downvoted to shit

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

You're free to test your hypothesis.

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 hours ago

Because white people have had a historical power dynamic over the rest of the world, we've destroyed cultures, assimilated ingredients, and then decided to make our food the most uninspired and bland dishes possible. Targeting historically oppressed people to tell them their food sucks is punching down and the opposite of good humor.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 18 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Your cultural horizon must be very small if you think it is something specific to white people.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

First thing it made me think of was a trip to Morocco

Second thing it made me think of was how stupidly difficult it was to get a glass of wine there

Never going back

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

They’re American.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

Yeah but white people = ick

Duh 🤪

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I concur with this, and also submit apples/grapes in chicken salad should be considered culinary abuse.

[–] setenforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What's wrong with grapes in chicken salad :p adds some crunch

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

It's like "New Chicken Salad! Now with juicy blisters!"

Best case scenario it doesn't make it worse, but it defo doesn't make it any better.

In my opinion... On the internet...

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago
[–] Hupf@feddit.org 0 points 10 hours ago

Think about it: anything that has raisins in it could have fit beans instead.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 9 points 22 hours ago

To make it better.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pretty sure African food uses it, too.

Come to think of it, what culture doesn't use them?

[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Never ate Chinese food with raisins

EDIT: probably didn't eat enough

[–] Baguette@lemm.ee 6 points 15 hours ago

Theres a traditional bread (bun?) in Chinese called Mantou which can come in a lot of varieties, one being whole grain with raisins

https://mindymakes.com/walnut-raisin-whole-wheat-mantou

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

One of my favorite Chinese desserts uses them: https://kitchenmisadventures.com/sachima

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 54 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I always think of white people as the ones complaining about raisins in food. So many delicious savory dishes with raisins from the Middle East or India provoke strong reactions from western pallets used to food that only does 1 thing, rather than combining multiple flavours.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yeah, those are the cuisines I associate with raisins

I think white people just try to make their food as hot as possible and don’t pay any mind to other flavours

[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah that's strange, I always associated raisins in food as something ranging from Morocco to Bangladesh. Not the whitest countries ever.

Imho in general European food isn't very keen on sweet and salty mixes. Except for the USA who does it all wrong smh.

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[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Fucking love this template

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Alright, bear with me here.

Back in the middle ages Europeans didn't have access to sugarcane. Because of that, they never even thought to try to breed sugary beets and process those into sugar. The same was true for tree sap or any other possible source of sugar, because why the hell would it even occur to them if they'd never seen sugar?

If a person in the middle ages wanted to make something sweet, their choices were to add honey or to add fruit. Honey was expensive, and the vast majority of the population of Europe were peasants. Honey wasn't something they'd have around all the time. While fruit was way easier to come by, it was only available seasonally. So how do you make a sweet cake in the middle of winter? Dried fruit!

So here's the big kicker about putting raisins in shit: it's been unnecessary for four goddamned centuries. There might be an occasional dish here or there that's been made the same way since before sugar was available, but there's no fucking excuse for it in like 95% of dishes. We live in an age where I - a regular dude who isn't particularly wealthy - can go to the grocery store a mile away and find a dozen kinds of produce that were shipped from the other side of the planet where they're in season. There hasn't been an excuse to ruin perfectly innocent cookies with raisins for hundreds of years.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Also your explanation doesn't cover why those recipes now include a diabetes inducing amount of sugar on top of the dried fruits

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 hours ago

That's a separate issue that we (meaning humanity, not just America) is still dealing with.

During the second world war chemists figured out how to make cheap fertilizers and pesticides from petroleum. These two innovations shot farm productivity through the roof. Food became more abundant than ever before and therefore became incredibly cheap. Virtually overnight the biggest challenge to people's diets was having too much, not too little.

For the first generation or two living in this historic abundance, they had no way of seeing the coming health threats. Coming off of literally the entire history of life on this planet having too little to eat instead of too much, they weren't with a "more is more" approach. Cost of ingredients was no longer a barrier to adding more sugar, more salt, and more fat. At least in the US, there was a brief "convenience" fad in cuisine in the 11950s, but gears quickly shifted to increasing portion size and improving taste by the brute force addition of more salt and sugar.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There hasn’t been an excuse to ruin perfectly innocent cookies with raisins for hundreds of years.

Counterpoint: The Great Depression

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm betting there wasn't a big price difference between granulated sugar and raisins back then.

[–] theedqueen@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

One year my mom put chopped up apples in the stuffing. My siblings loved it and I hated it. Fruit does not belong in stuffing.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

I've had apple and chicken sausage and I could see it working, but I'd saute the apples with the seasoning and onions so it's not just a big hunk of apple all by itself.

When I make a turkey I put an apple and an onion inside for flavor, along with cinnamon and some sage.

(And, yes, that is Alton Brown's recipe.)

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago

You can make a stuffing with fruit work, but you need a separate recipe than just tossing apple into it. It makes a more sweet and savory dish instead of a hardcore savory one.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 points 22 hours ago

True and I won't apologise

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

Whatever dude, now I can't stop thinking about Grandma's cinnamon-raisin bread

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