sowing 
reaping 
this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
353 points (98.9% liked)
chapotraphouse
13538 readers
714 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Gossip posts go in c/gossip. Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from c/gossip
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
Now is the winter of our brat's torment.
the winter of our disc on tent
just thought you should know
Don't forget ignored all indications that their campaign was losing voters and those same voters being very vocal about what needed to happen if they wanted to keep them
The "I am speaking!" is so funny to me.
"Hello, please stop doing genocide or I wont vote fo-" "I AM SPEAKING!" "Okay, I guess you don't want my vote then."
Democrats crash and burn
10% of primary voters vote "uncommitted" explicitly stating they won't support a candidate backing the genpcide
"Excuse me. IM SPEAKING. Now please welcome my friend Liz Cheyney."
Dems get 10% less votes.
Really a fucking mystery.
It's not just the vote, people who have the energy to show up to protest have the energy to go out and knock on doors, raise funds, evangelize to friends and neighbors. The "well there's no rational alternative so I guess I have no choice" folks will vote for you, but they won't do anything to get anyone else's vote.
the best thing to come from this election.
appoint current vp who won 0 primaries as the party candidate
"Oh I'll do a lot of what (deeply unpopular current president) is doing (including genocide, insane border policies, austerity)"
make no definitive policy agenda beyond things everyone hates
make 'progressive' governor vp candidate to court that wing of party
call conservatives 'weird' to separate self from them
get, and actively seek, endorsements from neoconservatives to court mythical Never Trump conservatives while alienating everyone left of Reagan
lose
"wHaT hApPeNeD??"
Don't forget "ignore large contingent of your voterbase, who informs you that they will not vote for you unless you change your policy"
the only part of the campain that was not a desaster in my estemation was picking Walz as VP as that looked almost as if they where going to move to the more progressive wing... then they ignored all of that and I garentee that thye will scapegoat walz as being too radical and scaring away the moderates, mark my words
get, and actively seek, endorsements from neoconservatives to court mythical Never Trump conservatives while alienating everyone left of Reagan
she won like over 90% of the vote in DC though so that move definitely paid off
I can't tell if you're joking, but almost none of those people are registered to vote in DC
That's fair, I was just thinking of the west wing demographic
If they had chosen to hold a primary it would have had the advantage of completely blocking the republicans out of free media. They would have had all the attention.
The media can't help but report on Trump
He was pretty low energy this time when he wasn't getting shot at
It's funny on reddit it's a complete coin flip.
Literally half the posts the things getting upvoted are "this isnwhat happens when you force a candidate on people who got 4% in a dem primary then alienate progressives in favor of campaigning with cheyneys"
And then in places like r/politics that exact same sentiment gets 100 downvotes.
I actually just saw a highly upvoted comment in politics saying "I'm not going tonwaste time talking to somebody who thinks politicians can pick who endorses them"
Then the original guy asked who forced harris to bring her around the country to campaign rally and got obliterated with downvoted again.
Incredibly, liberals will still learn nothing from this.
Politicians will sometimes disavow endorsements if they don't like them. That commenter is full of shit.
Also the heavily downvoted comment pointing out kamala invited them to campaign with her didn't help.
"I'm not going tonwaste time talking to somebody who thinks politicians can pick who endorses them"
The appropriate response to Cheney endorsing you is to publicly plan a new Nuremberg.
I know he gets a lot of shit but John Stewart's joke when it happened was to repeateadly say "fuck you go away" and then call back to that joke like 4 times.
Love when the late night comedians have better political instincts than the politicians they're reporting on.
"Oh, yes, we accept all of our endorsements at the Hague. Why do you ask?"
What amazes me is that anyone thinks the Democrats lost. Being pratfall artists is what they're paid to do, this is the result they wanted the whole time.
Yup, like the boxer who gets paid by the mafia to take a dive
Afaik the system is working as intended, and as operated.
The illusion of freedom of choice is such a powerful weapon, one of the tools you get to control masses.
Trump lost to Joe Biden. Their strategy was to pick the person who also lost to Joe Biden.
Honestly, I'm still fishing out my lib brain worms, but the VP taking over the campaign made sense to me regardless of how she primaried.
It would make sense if joe were popular, but he really wasnt. Thinking they could just copy/paste his agenda on to a different person and win was deeply unserious, just like leftists kept screaming every damn day until this morning
She easily could've separated herself more from him, but very purposefully didn't.
The only time she distanced to herself from Biden was on things that were objectively unpopular, like not raising taxes as much on rich people.
I already see some of the rhetoric saying that Kamala was too far left. I think the only lesson that the DNC is going to take from this election, is that they need to go even further right. When in reality, pointing out how weird it is that Republican politicians are so concerned about children's genitals is an effective strategy, that was only stopped because Kamala Harris has a bipartisanship fetish.
While I'm definitely afraid the DNC will go that way, I've been surprised by how many normal people I see not getting that out of the election on libs.world or Reddit. Sure, there's the occasional post still blaming Arabs or Latinos whatever, but I see a lot of anger pointed at the Dems instead that can be harnessed. This may turn out to be a great teaching and radicalizing moment if socialists take advantage of it now.
I think the fact that he won the popular vote means that the regular scapegoats they were planning on don't work. There was clearly not enough third party voters and they lost votes they had in 2020. It could just be sexism, but I think a lot of people have the feeling something else happened, something related to the campaign, or I wouldn't be seeing so much anger and disappointment directed at the Dems.
This is the day after though, I expect the narratives to consolidate and coalesce over the next few days.
True. Right now they're still reeling, which is why now I think is the time to spread our messages and press them.
Fair
The more pertinent thing might be that the candidate they were anointing historically had not a shadow of a chance at winning. Primaries aren't a terribly good way of seeing who would do best in the general, but if you're doing that cataclysmically bad, you probably shouldn't just be handed the nomination anyway. It's sincerely like they were trying to lose.
The way you win elections in the US is getting your side to show up on election day. There's so much voter disenfranchisement and suppression you need to campaign with those factors in mind. You're absolutely right Harris' failures in the primary should have been a red flag. You have to get people excited and mobilized, while making it easier for them to cast their ballots.
That she dropped out so early was a bad sign for her campaign. Dems either haven't learned a got damn thing since Obama or they're doing it intentionally.
There was also the component of controlling the campaign war chest and infrastructure
Harris could just hop in the driver seat bc she already was on the ticket.
She actually had juice right after the switch, then proceeded to just piss it away over the next few weeks
All she had to do was distance herself from Biden with some meaningful policies but it turns out she's really bad at this... Which nobody could have foreseen given her primary performance
At the time, she was the best candidate because she was the only one with the national name brand. The problem was that she didn't run a real primary, because if there was an open primary she might not have won.
They carried Biden across the primary finish line so they never had to be held to account by voters. Trojan horsed Kamala in using Joe's incumbency.
By the time Biden dropped out, yes, she was really the only choice, logistically. I think at that point, 3 months ago, there was basically nothing the dems could have done to have won this. They could have made it closer, but any real shot at a candidate people liked, would have needed to have gotten spooled up a year ago, at minimum, two years ago ideally.
The DNC shares so much blame for overall strategy of the last decade+, but the decision for Biden to insist on aiming for a 2nd term the whole time, despite pressure, and only cave when the saw just how grim those final projections really were, is mostly his, personally.
Yet another hubrisic liberal elite refusing to take action on the overall political project, fucking future generations.