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We can't "fix" anything. All we can do is keep ourselves safe and encourage the people who see that something is wrong. As the mask slips further and further more people will begin having doubts about where things are going. Tell them they are correct to question liberalism and fascism and that there is a 3rd way forward.

As we descend into the darkness it will be more and more risky to speak against the status quo but the rewards of doing it correctly will get greater. Now is a good time to practice.

Nah when I look at history ,the 80’s ,90’s and ‘s were fucking bleak

Nowadays I have hope in China but back then there was no reason to have hope as a Palestinian nor as a communist

Dont make the mistake of feeling responsible for this. Sure theres some things you can do to help but its 99.99999999999999% out of your control.

Fwiw youre helping by not being another lib whos just gonna run away to bluesky.

Honestly? I found peace in revolutionary defeatism. Super-profits keep coming and while they fall revolutionary potential goes up, we're quite a few fallen settler states away from being anywhere with potential, and who knows where we'll be by then. At least now the white supremacist face of America is in full view. I hope to see and help a real revolutionary org grow power in my lifetime.

Depressing, but god there is no shot white America will ever be ready for a revolution. If we had an armed and organized black bolshevik party they'd 100% be called wreckers by nearly every existing socialist/communist organization I know of. For praxis imo this just means supporting (in a myraid of ways) our local hyper-exploited communities, smashing the war machine, and very patiently educating where we can about our local material conditions, but acknowledging this knowledge is probably going to be ignored or failed to be internalized until our economy straight up collapses.

I tried writing out a hopium reply, but then wandered away and kinda got into a doom spiral too about ecological destruction and shit and now I'm also

In any case, here's my current take on anti-doomerism

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https://www.yicaiglobal.com/opinion/mark.kruger/why-are-the-chinese-people-so-optimistic-

I'm optimistic because my Chinese comrades are optimistic. Things are worsening in the imperial core but its grip on the rest of the world is loosening as it lashes out and becoming more erratic. Have you seen Naussica?

spoiler spoiler for the end of the film, if you haven't seen jt I encourage you to watch it.

Empire overextends. The Fire Beast destroys itself in its own rage. The insects cleanse the Wastes and the earth is hostile to humans, but humans learn to adapt. Nausicaa as a character reminds me if what Nakoichi said here that humans have an obligation to unfuck what we've wrought.

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I'd like to think that we can restore the earth once capitalism falls. Though it won't be us leading the charge.

Actually it's kicked off another depressing thought that ao much of the post apocalyptic media here presents the post human world as idyllic ipso facto, like that Wild Robot movie. Like the apocalypse will be harsh on 'deserving' humanity but kind on animals like Chernobyl or the DMZ. Fuck shit fuck ecofash ideology is being mainstreamed.

It sucks living in a vassal state of a dying empire. Aaaaahhhh incoherent comment sorry :(:( can't cheer myself or anyone else up :(:(:(

You don't. We eventually balkanize. The question is how much of the rest of the world's money do we burn though before we start making "strategic partnerships" with China. Like, it is a matter of time before the pacific states joins the belt and road program and China builds a military base in the Nevada desert to claim and scrap the remaining US nuclear stockpile. Our only real path forward is to build as nice a social network as we can so we can ride the wave of decline. Which means study like getting good at vegan cooking and gardening are some of the most important skills.

Unless we are on the cool timeline than just getting really good at running is the most important skill.

Either way our job in the core of the empire is to be stoic and help who we can. Which is a better deal than most my ancestors ever got.

Or I am just being a pessimist. Who could say.

I remember years ago when weed was legal in some select states, if you were in those states you only had to worry about federal agents showing up to arrest you.

Maybe we're going back to that, except instead of weed it's going to be select states defying new FDA bans on medicine (starting with birth control and abortion adjacent stuff, then next whatever the brainworm desires).

Then you're having cops waiting at state borders, maybe even formal entry gates on major roads, local cops obstructing federal agents, people ignoring that cost of goods doubled, etc..

How do you even begin to fix all of this.

A gun chambered in a relatively-cheap enough caliber to make a routine of range time; and a raft of said relatively-cheap enough caliber to weather the storm.

We fix it by being right. And insufferable about pointing this out.

Remember, always, fascism is unsustainable, it is capitalism eating its own seed corn until the amount of people it has to fuck over reaches a critical mass.

The KPD used to say "after Hitler, us." And while it's hard to call that strategy successful, it was correct.

After fascism. After collapse. After revolution. Us. We must be prepared for that.

I am having a much easier time reaching libs. People are now more receptive to organizing, even if I have to cloak it in disaster prep or grillpill

They're just absolutely mind fucked from being raised on a steady diet of right-wing propaganda from all major Western parties.

They are comfortable, which allows them to have their views. That comfort is going to be rocked for many people over the next few years that will ripen them up for radicalization.

How do you even begin to fix all of this.

Read A Paradise Built In Hell by Rebecca Solnit. Here's a decent overview, but I recommend the whole book. It is the complement of The Shock Doctrine, but critiques the 'helplessness' that Naomi Klein describes by showing that people aren't nearly the doormat Shock Doctrine policy assumes. The central idea is we, as a species and as instinct, come together during times of catastrophe, both natural disasters as well as human-caused like war. The more intense or complete the disaster, the greater the phenomenon shows up. She also analyzes cases where this phenomenon doesn't arise and why; the section on the Spanish Flu is prophetic of the COVID response a decade after publication. The whole section on Elite Panic is a necessary counter-propaganda against modern media, calling out the pervasive anti-humanism throughout Hollywood that assumes people will panic in the face of disaster. It is completely false and a mirror for how the Elite view the populace, driving so many regressive disaster responses by the State. If nothing else, this book will dispel a kind of Doomer Propaganda that is pervasive.

Not to co-opt this, but you bring up an interesting point on the population being cooked. Not necessarily in an “everyone’s an idiot except us” sense, but just from how prevalent right-wing propaganda is, and the fact the average imperial core member is aware of and on board with the state of things. As Comrade Sinclair once said “it is impossible to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding of it.”

This is especially true here in the great satan I believe, where education is dropping and we are materially one of the worst off working classes in the “developed” world. The imperial boomerang is a way of life here, and the average citizen wouldn’t have it any other way. I argued this before, but to me it feels like the US is becoming a colony for international bourgeoisie as well as a colonizing force. Europe and Canada can offset more and more of their exploitation to the US, who are happy to be exploited and controlled by a powerful military force and Europe can wipe its hands clean of any wrongdoing.

I’m with you here! It’s very disheartening to see that not only are we sliding towards fascism, but the general public is coping in the most dangerous and unhinged ways. Scapegoating minorities and marginalized groups for the failure of a system, meanwhile buying up all the treats they can before “orange bad man destroys the economy”. It’s a sick and twisted situation and my wife and I are spiraling a bit right now.

That all said, I really wish there was a tangible way to fix this, but I can’t get my head above water long enough to see it. My only thought would be to continue hammering home the point that democrats failed to do politics well and basically left the country out to dry as usual. Every time they do it, it gets easier to make people see it. Just have to hope the sentiment sticks this time around? Idk, it’s so fucked…

I think it's important to keep in mind that we're not in this alone - capitalism thrives when it keeps us thinking we're isolated and powerless, and every day we have to fight that fight before we can move on to more important things. But we have each other, and we have the words and stories of the folks who came before us, ones who also lived in a fucked up world, confronted it, and left an example behind for us to follow. Not everyone made it and most didn't get their happy ending, but they chipped away a little bit at our ignorance, and we have to find contentment inside our finitude as individuals and our bounded time on the planet.

its all fucked more fucked than you could ever think

just put one step infront of the other :) i'm actually not sure what the rules of this com is or comment etiquette responding to doomer posts, but i get it, like thinking about it is kinda of harsh.

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What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost. -Stalin

but you know, just do your best i'm skimming some soviet officers handbook rn and organising books clubs and stuff irl - community is important irl

i like disco elysium quotes, they might cheer you up, they are made by communists living in the post soviet states, just the right mix of depression and unshakable belief in a better world

ie. In the dark times, should the stars also go out?

ONE DAY I WILL RETURN TO YOUR SIDE

And above all, you let life defeat you. All the gifts your parents gave you, all the love and patience of your friends, you drowned in a neurotoxin. You let misery win. And it will keep on winning till you die — or overcome it.