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[–] Cyborg@lemmy.world 33 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Mastodon is gatekept to hell and back, the technicalities of federation are exposed to the user for some reason (you already lose half your potential user base right there), infighting between instances means that you won't see the entire discourse of a post depending on which instance you're at...

And besides all that, bsky is not as "corpo" as mastodon fanboys make it out to be. They're on track to open up to privately hosted instances as well, and you can already run most of their backend stuff yourself.

[–] proton_lynx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

As much as I like the 'decentralized' stuff, the technical part of federation should NEVER be exposed to the end user if you want the platform to be mainstream. I still don't understand why a lot of federated projects think it's a good idea to expose that to the end user.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Whenever Lemmy or Masto gets a flood of new users, a portion of them never make it past the instance selection and totally bail.

The user experience was designed by people who literally respond to user feedback by telling users to commit new code to the project.

It’s clearly designed by engineers who assume other users will be just like them.

[–] Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think a lot of the attitude I saw on mastodon about this like a year ago was one of suspicion that they wanted an open network but didn't use the fediverse standard

[–] Cyborg@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

I assume the main reason is that ActivityPub is a mess and quite overcomplicated for bsky's needs. Being permanently tied to it seems like a big risk. There's no reason why they couldn't make a compatibility layer later and hook into it.

[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 54 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (10 children)

"Write a bit about yourself to join this server and if we decide you're too boring and normal we'll reject your application and say you're a spammer afterwards"

Hmm I wonder why normies aren't flocking to these fediverse platforms, what could be stopping them, couldn't be the shitty onboarding process could it? Nah asking people to apply is the best onboarding process ever (obvious big ass /s)

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You don’t have to do that when you sign up for mstdn.social, and it’s also not a requirement for mastodon.social And there are more instances where you don’t have to apply like that.

But when it’s asked that you apply to the server, it’s usually to ease the load of moderation, to see if you would fit the vibe of that instance. And/or to protect the more vulnerable people on that particular instance.

[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 1 points 40 minutes ago

You don’t have to do that when you sign up for mstdn.social, and it’s also not a requirement for mastodon.social And there are more instances where you don’t have to apply like that.

Yes, and we need much more like that if we want this platform to be sucessful as a whole. Normies want to join social medias, not clubs.

But when it’s asked that you apply to the server, it’s usually to ease the load of moderation, to see if you would fit the vibe of that instance. And/or to protect the more vulnerable people on that particular instance.

We all know or should know that running a platform like a club where people need to apply and have their worth manually determined is a toxic and unwelcoming environment that does not promote any kind of growth, and the fact that it is common and encouraged is not helpful to the fediverse long term. It just pushes normies away. Because a social media doesn't ask people to apply, a club does. Most people don't want to join small exclusive clubs.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Many Lemmy instances are requiring their users to apply for an account.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

And that makes it better how?

It doesn't that was the point of my comment, it is sarcastic, because asking normies to write about themselves then manually determine their worth before they join will exclude the vast majority of them. Applications are how you run exclusive clubs, not a social media platform. Which is the biggest reason the Fediverse sucks for regular people.

I don't want to join a club, I want to join a regular platform. That's why I joined discuss.online and not any of the other exclusive club instances.

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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 61 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (7 children)

If Mastodon wanted to be preferred, it should have been better. I moved to Mastodon over a year ago when the Twitter sale first happened. It was not great then and it’s gotten slightly worse since. I created a Bluesky account two days ago and it already offers exactly the experience I missed from Twitter before Elon.

Would it be better if Mastodon was good and the federated FOSS option was superior? Sure, absolutely. But, that scenario isn’t even close to the case we are presented with.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 19 points 9 hours ago

I’ve been a heavy Mastodon user for two years, and I honestly don’t see why so many people on Lemmy give it so much shit. Certainly not in favour of the likes of Bluesky.

I get WAY more engagement with my posts on there than I ever did on Twitter. And maybe I’m just at an age where I don’t give a shit about celebrity, but I couldn’t care less that all the Big Names have gone to Bluesky and Threads. It’s great not seeing the same people being shared into my TL all the time.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Can you give actual examples?

I feel the only thing that Mastodon 'misses' is some feed to get you addicted.

[–] Fediverse_Champion@lemm.ee 4 points 3 hours ago

Seconded, some specific examples would be helpful.

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[–] andrewthe95th@lemmy.world 194 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

I feel like you guys are addicted to letting perfect be the enemy of good. Yes, Bluesky being corporate run will probably be an issue down the line, but if it becomes mainstream then people will be used to seeing .APP.INSTANCE and feel more comfortable with the fediverse interface, which I know at least for me was a big hurdle. Like seriously, the fact that the next big thing is federated, even if in name only, is a big step forward.

[–] ajmaxwell@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Half a loaf is better than no loaf

[–] xavier_berthiaume@jlai.lu 63 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm a huge believer in federated systems but I believe that a lot of 'normies' going to bluesky is a huge step in the right direction. Even though most don't know anything about the tech behind it and migrate because twitter has become a bot infested right wing hell scape, they still are one step closer to being fully integrated to the fediverse.

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 37 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Bluesky's ActivityPub support is also leagues better than Threads because of Bridgy Fed. At least a Bluesky user and a Mastodon user can follow each other and have a back-and-forth conversation.

[–] xavier_berthiaume@jlai.lu 11 points 10 hours ago

Yeah exactly! I've even used the bridge yesterday since I'm on Mastodon, and my girlfriend just migrated to bluesky after hearing about the exodus. The process is really easy and only takes a bit of time for some of the DMs to get sent, but otherwise I have no complaints!

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[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago

Expecting perfection is a huge problem in all aspects of life. People just want instant perfection and aren't willing to work towards it. Then there's just apathy and that leads to stagnation or worse regression.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

I think the hate for BlueSky is proof that it's important enough to work. Buhbye elon

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I just looove how ppl believe that switching from one VC-funded centralised corpo platform to another VC-funded (slitghly less) centralised corpo platform is a good thing /s

Just because it's (partially) OSS doesn't make it good. The corp still hold all the power and might sell out, but at least they got free volunteers to program for them so the C-level could get more money!

(Now don't tell me that Bluesky is "federated". They still hold all the power over site rules and moderation. The only little concession you get is that you are allowed to host your own data)

Apparently virtue signaling about pseudofederation is enough for libs to "get hope for the future of the internet" while they happily lick the boot of yet another centralized "trust me bro this isn't going to eshittify itself, not this time" corp

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 56 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Jumping from one frying pan into the next.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

lucky for us, we aren't running out of jumps.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Community owned centralized systems are the answer.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand what anyone uses twitter, bluesky or mastodon for anymore. I used twitter to follow companies (like CoffeeStain) or YouTubers/Artists.
Bluesky has some of that, meanwhile mastodon is just a circle pit of yelling and also the same stuff I see on Lemmy.
I don't understand what people use it for. There's no information to follow like company game accounts for games I play, and when I tried to do goofy shitposts like old twitter i got a grand total of 0 likes.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Sic cat pics

[–] Donkeytown 27 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

After initially hesitating, I decided to join Bluesky after having previously tried Mastodon and permanently leaving Twitter. While I was initially reluctant because Jack Dorsey had sold Twitter to Elon Musk, I still created a Bluesky account. I later came across Jason Koebler's article on 404 Media, which validated my choice. His arguments aligned with my own reasons for preferring Bluesky over Mastodon. Link to the article: The Great Migration to Bluesky Gives Me Hope for the Future of the Internet.

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 40 points 15 hours ago (6 children)
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 76 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Pseudo-federated from what people are saying. Something about the user accounts being centralised but the data being decentralised. I don't understand but it's something funded by the previous owner of Twitter and full of other corporate money, so I wouldn't trust it.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 54 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

there is a critical 'relay' component that only they control. so you can setup your own 'node', but only connected to their instance.

only a single instance of the relay exists and they are not releasing that code and a few other pieces. it federates only with itself.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 43 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

That pretty much sounds centralised. But I guess people don't care if they don't have to worry about "picking a server" which is "too complicated" 🤷

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 28 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

i think the new paradigm of the distributed fediverse is going to take a long time to propagate to the masses. its going to be lots of platforms advertising their corner of the 'verse and the features they permit.. but we really need to get the idea of the 'fediverse' into their heads that its content accessible by any of those platforms.

the thing ive noticed is no one cares about 'sites' anymore.. the kids all want 'apps' which is drivin me bonkers. spent decades building mobile-friendly, dynamic viewports only for them to get ignored cuz kids dont want to type in a URL/domain.

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