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[–] kubica@fedia.io 198 points 1 week ago (14 children)

It's a thing that I've always thought that people over-complicate. It's just there, the small side with the small number the big side with the big number...

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 114 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

"The entirety of the small number constitutes a relatively smaller portion of the big number. Thus, the open side of > points to the smaller number to indicate that it's a magnified view within the larger number."

I hope this helps overcomplicate things for you. We must all return to crocodile.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Crocodile? Are you guys from Florida? In Europe we learned it as duck beak, it just makes much more sense, where are the teeth? Nowhere it's not an alligator mouth it's a beak

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah fam, if your bird looks like that it's probably dead. I also learnt it as the crocodile in Germany

[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Duck, crocodile, they're both archosaurs. Which means if it's either, they should have a premaxillar fenestra on the lower jaw, but I'm not seeing any. Clearly, this must be a possum.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For a while, I've seen "<" and ">" as a slanted "=", which is to say, these numbers are not equal, and the larger side is the larger number and the smaller side is the smaller number.

Works for me, IDK.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

But shouldn't it be 8 < 1 because the eight is heavier and squeezes the bars of the = together?

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 week ago

I'm with you, the croc is an opportunist and will eat the smaller, easier prey.

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Somehow, people don't teach this interpretation at schools. (Despite it being so obvious that it was clearly the original reasoning behind the symbols.) And then nobody talks about the fact that nobody knows how to read them, forever.

Mine had something about crossing a line through the symbol and seeing if it makes a 4 or a 7. Honestly, "the crocodile wants to eat the big number" is still better than this.

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[–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 week ago

Whoever my first teacher who taught me this did over complicate it, because when I wrapped my brain around bigger side equals bigger number and smaller side equals smaller (much later than I should have) it was a revelation and also seemed ridiculous it didn't start out that simple.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Are you a programmer? I've never struggled with them either, but I've had a lot of exposure to them due to programming since I was like 11

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[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The teacher who first taught me told me “Pac Man wants to get the most points” and that stuck with me

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[–] Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 69 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't think I've ever been taught a mnemonic with animals

The small number is on the small side of the symbol, the large number is on the large side, it seems pretty intuitive to me, to be honest.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I learned it that way, along with the = sign showing the sides are equal. But by the time I was teaching, we used Pac-Man, drawing the rest of him around the hungry mouth. I still added "another way to look at it is," and described the spaces:

Big>little same=same little<Big

Because it doesn't matter how your mind makes the connection, as long as it works for you.

Edit to add:Pac-people are easier to draw than crocodiles

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Points at the smaller thing"

Every time I watch a student stall out on inequalities I ask "it's the crocodile isn't it?". Without fail, they've got confused by it and as soon as they hear "points at the smaller thing" they have no issues.

[–] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

yeah its literally a graph. the bigger side is the bigger number. the smaller, surprise, smaller number.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I got a zero on a math test in second grade because I said "the bigger number is on the bigger side" instead of "the crocodile wants to eat the bigger number", fuck you 2nd grade math teacher who made me hate math by being the thought police.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 27 points 1 week ago

big side, big number

[–] kamills@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm a mechanical engineer, and I often have to do a double thumbs up with my hands like b_d. It's the only way I can remember what comes first in the alphabet. In danish you spell boat båd, and if you mess up the order the b and d will be on the outside of the boat and drown, like dåb. Still works 20 years later

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you have dyslexia or something like that by chance? I don't think I've met anyone who gets confused between b and d. (No offense, I'm just intrigued)

[–] kamills@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

I don't have dyslexia. But I did only learn how to read and write in 5th grade.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

< is part of a K. The K stands for Kleiner which means smaller in German/Dutch

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

< is a collapsed L which could be a shortened to "Less than".

...Not that I've ever used this, I always picture a crocodile.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

Alternatively you could see it as an angled g without the hook

[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I also have a theoretical degree in physics

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

You're theoretically hired!

[–] vsis@feddit.cl 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Once I saw a (tailless) cow wearing uniform.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I never understood why so many people seemingly struggle with these signs to the point they need a mnemonic. The big side points to the big number and the small side to the small one. What even is there to remember?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Hoimo@ani.social 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, the symbol is the mnemonic. What does the crocodile even explain? Why doesn't the bigger number eat the smaller numbers?

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Open end is big space (bigger number). Closed end is smaller space (smaller number).

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[–] YaksDC@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I am 54, and still every fucking time.

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[–] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I had no idea that people struggled with this so much and have come up with such crazy (to me) ways of figuring it out.

Most of the world, if asked to write down numbers 1-100 on a line, would do so left to right. The < and > symbols are arrows pointing left and right. To the left the numbers decrease (less than) and to the right the numbers increase (greater than).

All this stuff about crocodiles and ducks seems like such a bizarre way to remember it!

Edit: thanks for the comments, it's fascinating to get an insight on how differently people's brains work. Something that seems like such an obvious concept is just as baffling to others as the crocodile is for me.

To attempt to explain it better though: Say the number you're comparing to is 50. If x is less than that, say 30, then it would appear to the left of 50 in the list and the arrow would point that way <--. If it's greater than 50 then it would be to the right -->

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

A mnemonic device is a mnemonic device.

I think about how the symbols have two sides, one is a point (small side) and the other is wide (big side)

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Your explanation is no less crazy lol.

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[–] c0ber@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

<3 is "less than three", and 3 is "three" so logically < is "less than"

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I try this, but I always get <3 mixed up with Ɛ>

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago
[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

aww love you too bro <3

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[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 1 week ago

What the bird beak pecks is meek.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Surely in theoretical physics, the most common use of > is in a ket (eg. |ψ>).

[–] mellitusgull@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Crocodile want to eat cactus ?

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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

arguably, it's |ψ〉, which is not the same as >

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago

I earned it as the larger part being on the side of the bigger number

.<:

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i feel like i’ve been using latex for so long that at this point my brain has been rewired to see ≤ as ‘\le’ (less than or equal to) and ≥ as ‘\ge’ (greater than or equal to), and then this dictates how i view < and > as well

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I've always been a fan of using > and < but in the general use of lesser than or greater than, however, the symbols were always interchangeable to me since it always depends on where you put the defined integer, correct?

If I want to say something is less than 37. It can either be 37 > or < 37.

Because in that scenario the imaginary integer n is always on the opposite side of the symbol.

37 > n

n < 37

So why did > ever become greater and < be less than? Doesn't it also depend on how your text is written? If people reading from right to left or down to up vs left to right and up to down, means it's reversed.

The open part of the caret is where the bigger number is, the opposite side is where the lesser number is.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

37 > n

"37 is greater than n."

n < 37

"n is less than 37."

Obviously both sentences have the same meaning, but the symbols are named that way because people usually read left to right... (in English that is)

[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

So why did > ever become greater and < be less than? Doesn’t it also depend on how your text is written? If people reading from right to left or down to up vs left to right and up to down, means it’s reversed.

Yes. > is "greater than" because you're reading left-to-right. 12 > 9, read: "twelve is greater than nine". When reading in a right-to-left script, it's the opposite, but because of how the BiDi spec works, the same Unicode character is actually used for the same semantic meaning, rather than the appearance. Taking the exact same block of text but formatting it right-to-left (using directional isolate characters) yields "⁧12 > 9⁩", which is still read as a "greater than", just from right-to-left.

Hopefully that makes sense.

So yes, if you copy the > character and paste in any directional environment, it will retain its meaning of "greater than".

Edit: on my phone, the RTL portion is not formatted well. If you can’t see it, try a browser.

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