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he is the worst regular in all of the treks I have seen (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT)

his whole thing is representing White american baby boomer dudes

boring as shit

doesn't belong in space

Torres can do so much better.

I don't believe this shit about being such a hot shot pilot.

I think he was sent by the CIA.

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[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Garrett Wang (Harry Kim) and Robert Duncan McNeill (Tom Paris) did a podcast called The Delta Flyers where they do a full episode-by-episode rewatch of Voyager and often rant about the many problems of the show (and about the bits they enjoyed, as well). Didn't get through it all, but it was decent travel listening.

Both of them are pretty often annoyed about how their characters (and most of the others) were stuck on a writing treadmill to obey that absurd syndication demand of an eternal moment, such that new viewers can drop in without feeling like they've missed anything.

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago

Very first thing he did in the series was teach Kim to be racist against Ferengi

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tom Paris engaging in boomer activities on the holodeck was when the character was at his worse

Tom Paris doing crimes and going rogue (you know the whole point of his character in the pilot episode) was when the character came to life, too bad they only gave Tom's criminality two episodes over 7 seasons before dropping that aspect of his personality completely

[–] glans@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

but then the cia got him

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

This video sums it up for me.

Every voyager character that wasn't Seven of Nine of The Doctor were never given the chance to become full characters and they hated it. The writing for voyager was absolute dogshit for the actors and most of them will tell ya, that dogshit writing made Tom Paris a superbeing. Robert Duncan MacNeil doesn't deserve NY bla.e here for.the record. From what I can tell he fully agrees with this and did at the time and made it known as far as he could while keeping his job. Actors don't like playing a boring guy who can do everything either. Forgive all people who made Voyagwe that arent Rick Berman and Bramnan Braga who gets away with too much. Dude was dating Jeri Ryan when he was the show runner.

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[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

order-of-lenin

I'm going through Voyager for the first time and I've been thinking all of this.

Paris isn't even subtly or subjectively boomer. He's clearly intentionally written to be a guy in the 1950s. They could have written him with one boomer trait to be cute, but they had to have him be obsessed with classic cars, b&w (and sexist) scifi, man caves, being a playboy, etc. Every episode that centers around Paris ends up being the worst in the series.

Torres can do so much better.

I felt this hard. She was one of the best characters of the series, and her falling for Paris sucked. It's also just not believably written in the show. Just one day they were secretly in love?

I've always hated how Star Trek does relationships between the regulars. The Worf and Troi, Worf and Dax relationships sucked.

don't believe this shit about being such a hot shot pilot.

Has real Top Gun vibes

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Paris can't be the worst, Neelix exists

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Neelix was annoying because his used car salesman with-a-heart-of-gold personality was completely wasted on the Starfleet crew

The whole point of his character in the first season was to act as a guide thru an unknown region, instead of becoming a boring cook, he should've become the Quark of Voyager, an opportunistic trader and part-time ambassador who would secure the goods but habitually set the b-plot into motion cause he got in over his head trying to acquire 6 months worth of fuel (and a sizable cut for himself) by selling one of the holodecks without the captains' knowledge

[–] glans@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

well they BOTH want Kes, the child. So no points awarded either way.

neelix is corny or whatever but he doesn't represent the eternal supremacy of White Men over space. which paris does.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

After Kes leaves/ascends Neelix starts hanging around Naomi Wildman he's the eternal groomer

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[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Janeway didn't go far enough she should have killed Neelix too after killing Tuvix

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tuvok would have deemed it only logical if beaming Tuvix into the heart of a neutron star also meant ridding the ship of Neelix.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As another famous Vulcan once said, "It is logical that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i love how in lower decks they have an alternate universe where tuvix was an admiral or something

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I finally watched the last two episodes last night. So good, and so sad to see it go. catgirl-cry

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

its kinda wild how they would run things like discovery for many seasons and episodes but when they actually have a good show they do it for 4 seasons 10 episodes each which is like fucking nothing

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They both had equal amounts of seasons. I agree with the sentiment tho. Disco was dead mid season 2, no pun intended, but lower decks has LEGS. That show could have just kinda kept going. George Takei even said so after appearing.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

They both had 5 seasons, but Disco got more episodes per season and longer episodes too. Probably double or more the actual runtime.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, seriously. At least they haven't axed Strange New Worlds yet, but it was painful going back and watching Discovery only to find out that SNW was a spinoff of that dumpster fire. Here's hoping that the new Michelle Yeoh Trek project doesn't turn out to be absolute ass, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems weird to me that this is the first Trek movie since the Abrams reboot movies.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Nothing at all against Yeoh but her character was the absolute worst part of Discovery for me so I have negative hope for the thing centered on her.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, it was just more trash on the trash heap, but at least she was having fun with it. That, I can get behind. But yeah, those first few seasons leaned way too hard on mirror universe shit.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's not just that there's a lot of mirror universe shit, it's that the Rick Berman created space CIA hires mirror universe cannibal super Hitler to Make Hard Choices for them

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah its real liberals allying with fascists moment

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Federation shouldn't be liberal enough to ally with fascists

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It isnt lib enough but the lib writers really love the 'complexities' of allying with fascist girl bosses

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

i hate prestige tv i hate prestige tv

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[–] glans@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

I did try watching disco, the earlier seasons, 2 or 3 times, but I couldn't get it and/or what I did get I hated. It was a mess and mostly I don't remember it but I do recall that character making some stupid as fuck gay jokes about the mirror universe. They seemed intended to make her seem cool and didn't work. in my mind.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

According to early screeners, Section 31 is not very good

One said it was "painfully stupid"

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

anything to do with section 31 is that way

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

When section 31 was introduced they were meant to be like the CIA (bad)

But in our post 9/11 world, they're meant to be like the CIA (good)

I'm going to watch it, because I'm a good little piggy and I appreciate my slop, but I'm not expecting much.

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[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I watched like a good part of Voyager last year and while it's not like the show has no decent episodes, it's absurd just how little happens to the character and how little development goes into them. For them having traveled through the delta quadrant for seven years, most of the characters feel completely unchanged from the pilot on. Nonsense show.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And Kim’s still an Ensign by the end despite saving the whole crew from the Hirogen. Smh

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine working on that show and literally getting nothing to work with for seven years.

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[–] burgermeister@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's a nepo baby, his dad's an admiral or some shit

[–] glans@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

oh shit i forget to mention he has basic as fuck DADDY ISSUES

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Named after a city in Fr*nce 🤮

[–] glans@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

don't forget Lieutenant Marseilles

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How do you feel about Nick Locarno?

[–] glans@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes another reason i hate tom paris

just enough character was altered to AVOID having to pay royalties to the writer or whatever of that episode. tom paris is basically an inherent scab.

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

of course he was sent by the CIA, they had perfect blackmail on him (getting a classmate killed)

he even changed his name for this mission

[–] dualmindblade@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

That reminds me, remember Sarah Silverman's Oscar worthy performance when they go back to the future past? She acts almost entirely with her lower lip, presumably as some kind of flex

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