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I fucking didn't.

Sure, please agitate to shut them down but seriously how the fuck do you come to this conclusion?

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[–] Futterbinger@hexbear.net 98 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the result of the cold dead-eyed pragmatist cold warriors retiring and being replaced by their failsons and faildaughters who were brought up drinking the Kool aid.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I will never understand how these pragmatist cold warriors allowed for the deindustrialization of the west in favour of China.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cause that is the correct capitalism choice. It worked every other time

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It also paved the way for replacement like the US and the British Empire before them

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Capital survived, the americna empire can hardly be said to not be an extension of the British empire anyway

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Because it revitalized their financial sector and also resulted in trillions of dollars in profits for their capitalists.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Getting China to open up as a market and labor pool cemented the Sino-Soviet split and provided a way for the stagnating American economy to expand further while further breaking domestic labor and providing more cheap consumer goods to keep the public placated and passive. They just assumed it would naturally progress into China also becoming more vulnerable to subversion and a reactionary takeover that would enable it to be made into a client state like Japan or South Korea.

Just because they were cynical, scary monsters it doesn't mean they weren't also white supremacist capitalist ideologues who were fanatically confident in the divine superiority of their own system and who struggled to accurately gauge the strength and resolve of peoples they saw as inferior to themselves. They also just constantly fucked up all of the time, but had enough of a material and institutional advantage that they won anyways because they could just throw more money and guns at the worst people they could find at any given moment and some of them would do enough violence to accomplish the US's goals, and they were still aware enough to know that the lie machines they were funding were inherently dishonest about their positions and methods instead of this gormless "well if the lie machine says it it must be the earnest and genuine truth, oh how benevolent and kind the lie machine is with its eternal quest to spread truth" bullshit that modern liberals do or the credulous sobbing and pissing themselves that more reactionary liberals do out of sheer contrarian confusion.

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[–] hexbee@hexbear.net 74 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

These outlets are filled with far left activists

immediately followed by

I've worked with these reporters for decades

:thonk:

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

See, far left is when le wokeism

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

Far left is when you wave an lgbtqia+ flag while stepping on the throats of the working class and poor.

America has been cooked since the vietnam war and the massive debt we accrued during it causing other nations to cash in their usd reserves for gold due to depleted faith in the us dollar and the idea that we did not have enough gold to cover the debt, then nixon ended the gold standard to stop the hemorrhaging pf the gold reserves and the us scrambled for 8 years to ensure the usd would remain as the global reserve currency ultimately making a shady deal with the saudi royals and opec to make it so that crude oil could only be purchased in USD which slowed down / temporarily postponed the hyper inflation that resulted from taking the usd off a gold standard and turning it into a worthless “trust me bro” fiat currency

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's very simple

  1. He's stupid or
  2. He's lying
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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 64 points 3 weeks ago

Fucking incredible watching the Empire eat itself because it raised True Believers in its bullshit.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 58 points 3 weeks ago

Quick, someone wire up Allen Dulles' corpse to a battery, we might have discovered perpetual motion.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 57 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It might be a fun time to trot out the old, "the military is socialist because it's paid for with taxes and provides healthcare", again picard-troll

[–] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't tempt them, they'll privatize the army

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 36 points 3 weeks ago

When you consider all of the mercenaries deployed under Bush/Obama, they kind of already have.

Good, a privatized army will be way less effective

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[–] picklemeister@hexbear.net 56 points 3 weeks ago

i want to live in the america of their minds, the one filled with all the far left activists

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 52 points 3 weeks ago

I'm vibrating in a quantum state between :bloomer: and jokerfied at these antics

[–] buh@hexbear.net 49 points 3 weeks ago

CIA funded color revolutions are communism because the government does stuff

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago

Everything I dislike is communism.

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

mother fucking PRAXIS

We have been posting in forums meanwhile the real leninists were the accelerationists ensuring the empire eats itself just at the very moment that china becomes economically more powerful.

Fucking P R A X I S comrade Nawfal deserves a statue

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

smdh tankie cheering on cheeto drumpf cheeto-man

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, please agitate to shut them down but seriously how the fuck do you come to this conclusion?

Decades of actively detrimental political education probably

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yer fox news granddad is president and he hired all yer fox news cousins

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, it is kind of funny, but also its important to remember that this is just because Amerikkkan politicians are now just openly considering anything left of "deport everyone with brown skin" as communism. This is good for a laugh, but whatever comes next is going to suck.

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[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually no stay on the lathe

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ride the Lathe like Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 3 weeks ago

But but but VOA is a valid source because mbfc says so!

Still waiting for worldnews comm to actually ban it considering they hate propaganda sources

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, it's moments like these that make my country's downfall mercifully entertaining to me. At least I get a show. soviet-heart

[–] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When you operate on the assumption that "socialism is when the government does stuff", it snowballs from there.

I have a family member who legit believes agencies like NSA and CIA are communist.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, no. As a commie I sure would hate if they dismantled these orgs.

[–] kkitsuragisleftnut@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump ain't beating the harm reduction candidate allegations.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

Well. At least for the rest of the world. Sucks to be America right now. And also its neighbors, to a lesser extent.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

Straight from this source of this ultra-rightist dog

https://xcancel.com/RichardGrenell/status/1888382972514250962

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Hm. This all seems too convenient. USAID and Radio Free both becoming targets - surely they can't be that fucking stupid?

Of course there's people who really believe the shit this guy is saying, but surely many of the higher ups don't?

I have this gut feeling that USAID and RF closing up shop is all part of a new game plan. The empire allows free speech when times are easy. It clamps when competition arises. In the past year, USAID has stopped making information of it's grants public. Therefore, the govt finds USAID to be too revealing.

Perhaps wrapping it all up means they can burn some documents in the process. Maybe it's that these outlets are too compromised - in the sense that it has become more common knowledge that USAID and especially RF are state propaganda outlets. In this new war against China, they need a clean slate and a redoubled effort. Both outlets began in response to the Soviets post war - RF in 1950, USAID in 1961. Now it's China.

I will add an extra layer of lizard brained conspiracy to this - there are document declassification windows in the US. At 25 years, its easy enough to reclassify it. At 50 years, exceptions can still be made. At 75 years, you have to have a very fucking good reason.

Radio Free was setup 75 years ago. USAID 65. In coming years, more and more of RF's dirty side will be made public knowledge. A decade later so too will USAID's. This will all be coming out at the height of the coming cold war with China.

Perhaps it is wise for the govt to distance themselves from it. To be able to claim they shut it down.

The new outlets will be unknown entities.

[–] Saoirse@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

I'm as surprised as anyone that there hasn't been any sign of a swift backlash to these efforts behind closed doors, but I fear this gives our enemies too much credit. As others have commented, the Republican party is now controlled by people who have been steeped in the paranoid conspiratorial ideology fostered by past generations of conservative leadership in the hopes of maintaining a pliant base. They actually believe the absurd, ahistorical, contradictory things they say. I think it's more likely the doddering remnants of the old guard are too complacent, too accustomed to having their way with things, to react quickly enough to maintain this propaganda apparatus.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yes Mr. Grenell, you are correct. RFE and VOA are super woke. Please shut them down

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

Westerners are cooked, holy shit.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I cannot believe this woke DEI ligma male team is silencing our voice here in North Korea, who oppresses us nonstop. As we here in North Korea—and I, as a genuine North Korean defector can confirm—are taught to believe Kim Jong-Un (the Last Unicorn) has a 31 inch penis that shoots missiles that he uses to execute families he doesn't like.

He also calls it his "Beanis" and keeps talking about "hexbear dot com". He claims his Beanis can also shoot hole-in-ones on every golf course.

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

His ultimate goal is pretty clear from his last sentence, "It's a relic of the past. We don't need government paid media outlets."

Which I think is true in the sense that it's openly government funded. How is RFA, RFE, VOA, etc. useful at all compared to a podcast or some other kind of "independent" media outlet with way less obvious funding sources? I imagine they get more bang for their buck from funding media that appears grassroots. People get news by watching YouTube, looking at social media, etc. and there are other organizations that are way better at that stuff than RFA, etc. And the actual stories that those channels talk about can be written by mainstream western media outlets or US government aligned local outlets in other countries. Why does it need to be RFA specifically? Maybe I'm not familiar with the role of RFA compared to other outlets.

They might as well just get rid of the whole USAGM ecosystem and spend the money paying other outlets to do the propaganda-making they do instead, or spend the money more covertly.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

I am fucking dancing

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

If you read chud conspiracy forums they've been saying this level shit since the 00s minimum. Its just the more wildin chuds got more vocal as contradictions within the core continued and befuddled their cartoonish understanding of the world. Everything they don't like and everything bad that happens is communist/socialist has been popular in such circles at least since the 60s, ofc they would be the most frothingfash when conditions permit. At least Murikkkan face off fascism will be unstable AF and prone to autocannibalism.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Go fascist ourobouros go!

[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

Gold Metal level mental gymnastics.

[–] Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Don't forget Radio Free Asia too, they're the wokiest.

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