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Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.
If we don't embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.
Yeah don't let them have the swastika either.
Wait… I'm hearing it's too late for that. Damn.
They already killed hip-hop.
Could you elaborate on this? I mean there's Kanye obviously, but "killing hip hop" is a strong statement considering he fell off years ago.
The culture of "real" hip-hop is basically crime culture, within that crime culture the same methods of of fascist control are used. Like the way rappers attack one another and try to control people. Gangs intertwined with the culture. Gangs are fascist, they are Nazis, they abuse people for their own personal gains. Rappers are often a voice for that sort of shitty behavior.
Just listen to any "gangster rap" they are all authoritarians raping other people's lives.
(Very generalized)
There's a conspiracy theory going around that the music industry execs colluded to heavily promote gangsta rap over social-conscious rap during the 90's, so that young black people would turn to a life of crime and fill up prisons, as they had recently invested in the nascent private prison industry.
The only "proofs" are anonymous testimonies by self-described industry insiders, but the fact that rap wasn't always about gangsta culture is real.
“Very generalized” uhh, can you give some examples? Like, maybe if you squint at the 90’s West Coast/East Coast rivalry, but not really?
I’ve read all the comments here and I’ve concluded that we don’t really have an effective way for dealing with this problem, although we all recognise the problem.
Will forever hate them for trying to take Pepe the Frog.
feels bad man
F the fascists
This is why gatekeeping is actually important. But you've got to be sure you're keeping out the people who want to change the group, rather than people who want to join it.
norse mythology: the bisexual dude who has a meathead son and an adopted genderfluid kid. doesn't go anywhere without his horse-grandson. knows everything will go wrong when they get a dog.
Plus they associate war with masculinity and magic with femininity, and their main guy is the god of both. Women fought and men learned magic. Clearly gender was a pretty flexibly concept. (Not to even mention that we found what appears to be trans masc viking burials.)
What buried site was that?
Birka grave Bj 581
For a second I feared Lemmy didn't have the "Save comment" function yet.
This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.
Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don't they usually prefer to claim to be on God's side?
Fascists try to take everything they can get their hands on to try and get a way "in". There's O9A, Joy of Satan, STS (not TST) and others.
I don't know man, Satanism is pretty fucking stupid.
Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?
I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they "claim, twist, poison, ruin" it, so it's fine to give it up and no longer defend it.
Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.
Yet according to the rhetoric, it's a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim is as part of their cause. They'll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers "have" it), it's okay to limit & undermine it.
One might think they're right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there's a good chance they'll show up here possibly in response to this comment. Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?
Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.
Free Speech is the right to have and express opinions without being repressed by the government. Yelling fire in a theatre is not an opinion any more than harassing people with racial slurs or other forms of flatulence.
Nobody is giving free speech to fascists. Ignorant assholes are misappropriating the term to justify their disgusting behaviour and they're the only one's falling for it.
The (direct) harm principle of free speech has been a standard recognized since at least J S Mill. It's reflected in legal limitations on incitement of imminent lawless action (falsely shouting fire); incitement of violence; defamation; discriminatory acts that objectively deprive peaceful access to rights, opportunities, or resources we are entitled to. It does not restrict merely offensive conduct that bothers.
Are you referring to harassment in the looser sense of merely irritating conduct or in the stricter sense of personally targeted conduct that is unwelcome & objectively harms or deprives peaceful access as mentioned before (often through persistence)? We don't have a right not to be offended.
Freedom of speech is specifically for speech we do not like including much that you listed. It's also for speech to oppose that, which could be taken much further instead of trying to compromise it.
There's a specific breed of online Nazis who insist that it's 'punk' to be Conservative.
Those idiots wouldn't know punk even if it headbutted them in the face.
fascists are even trying to steal the identity and word of conservatisim.
conservatives of 12-15 years ago are liberal by todays standards.
Not wrong at all, the Nazi Party co-opted and stole countless icons and imagery, the swastika itself was stolen.
and the modern day Nazi Party in Russia at least, tries to steal entire letters of the Latin alphabet.
I have a Celtic knot tattoo on my forearm (actually it's the album cover of King Crimson's album Discipline).
My British friend told me I shouldn't display that in public in the UK because people might think I'm a neonazi.
I'm like fuck no, Celtic symbols don't belong to Nazis and I won't let them have it! Also, it's a prog album cover wtf
I had to stop wearing my Mjølner pendant because of those fucks. So I fully agree.
You didn't have to. That's called relenting. Could have worn a "fuck fascists" message alongside it? Maybe it was easier to give up that battle?