chapotraphouse

baudrillard moment, theyre living in a fundamentally different constructed reality that has no relation to the real. its not about intelligence, its about subcultural narrative and the willful acceptance of a simulated reality that appeals to them on a fundamental level. their identity has been reconstructed around consumption of particular strains of media that appeal to their fantasy. They choose deliberately to re-enter the fascist Matrix where reality and imagination have lost any boundary, and if I had to guess I'd point to that as the main reason they love AI slop. stupidity is the wrong word, but burgerbrained is right. The burger, fries, the Amerikkkan flag have all become fetishes not to a superstitious religious population, but to a population that has embraced religious superstition and anti-intellectualism on the grounds of consumptive identity.

e: also I think they could be re-educated, I dont think its impossible

Meh, they're mostly echoing whatever views have been pumped into their heads by conservative talk radio, fox news, AI meme facebook, et all. A few years of some Joe Rogan esque jock telling them how cool it is to eat seitan and they'll all be vegans.

It'd be nice if they all became luminaries of proletarian thought or whatever (and a handful probably will), but that's not actually necessary. Don't let anyone rebuild the capitalist propaganda machine, and the threat is neutered. Invest in better education for future generations.

Gonna be honest I have to agree as an amerikkkan.

I have interacted with some of the most racist, terrible, and straight up malicious people.

Even if you manage to convince a racist old coot coworker of yours that they're wrong, the next day they'll have the same conversation with you.

They don't want to know the truth, they just want to be mad.

American chuds are only like this because of the unique treat import-based economy and geopolitical hegemony which the US has been flailing around to keep. Lose that base and you'll see a formation of a wide proletariat similar to other pre-socialist nations.

tried nothing but all out of ideas?

I think the average Trump supporter is reachable—and if you have the resources of a government, as you seem to be imagining, I think they are reachable at scale. This is the 21st century, at this point the experts know how to influence people. Generations of marketers, academics, and psyops specialists have studied this problem. The knowledge is out there. If the CIA can spin up a color revolution, we can reeducate chuds.

But this all assumes a peacetime scenario where a communist government presides over a large population of chuds lol. Idk if that would happen in real life. Others can weigh in, I have no idea.

If China could reform Puyi, working class chuds can be too. It may take time, and more effort than most want to spend, but it can be done. The hyper wealthy on the other hand…

We would have to delete the internet. It's like COVID where it's had its own mutations that overrides any antibody or vaccine

I don't disagree though I'd add for a large chunk it's a religious dogma. It's part of a religious dogma, it's part of their very perceived essence as a member of their chosen community (reactionaries) so you're not just threatening them, you're demanding they change their identity and lose all their friendships and church group, and so on.

Speaking of dogma, dogmatic types speak of Chinese re-education of an emperor, totally different conditions, totally different. Marxism-Leninism is about adaptation. He'd already lost everything, long been a puppet anyways of other powers and had no group he risked being excluded from by reforming nor any sizeable group of people likely to follow him nor much in the way of a sense of himself as he was a spoiled brat used to servants and others dealing with the mundane for him and was weak without that structure. Nor did it threaten any religious beliefs on his part. Nor did he rule under or have the deep brainworms of sustained settler-capitalism that exist in the US and in the minds of the reactionaries here. What civic religion did Puyi have that they communists had to undo? Nothing but primitive notions that he was divine to rule, easily disabused stuff like that. The US indoctrination and propaganda is much, much, much stronger and more refined and intertwined with other beliefs and brainworms. The Chinese communists could appeal to a sense of Chinese pride and nationalism, what can Americans do hmm? The identity of the nation for these people is a white-supremacist, settler-colonial-capitalist one based on heavy amounts of atomization and the myth of the frontier and the castle doctrine as their mythos.

The hands of a successful revolution will be full enough re-educating the massive amounts of more reformable types. The order of the day should be to terrorize these into submission. Cut the grass blades that grow taller than the others. But do not waste the stretched and limited resources of the post-revolutionary state unnecessary. Triaging is necessary. Resources are limited. None more-so than the educated, dedicated, ideologically disciplined cadres necessary to oversee re-education who are also those most needed for minding and running the new state and guarding against careerists, the ideologically weak, and those who are corrupt enemies of the people. If you don't use those you use common jailers who start committing abuses and release large numbers of people who underwent no real re-education who go on to foment terrorism and counter-revolution.

I think we need to just dump them on an island somewhere and put them under continuous naval blockade and internet blackout till they revert to a Hunter gather society.

And when they have sex and produce children they raise in these brainworms (and abuse as I guarantee this society becomes very pedophilic to say nothing of other forms of child abuse common to reactionaries) you're just okay with human life being brought into that? Do you organize raids that suffer regular casualties to retrieve the children they produce and acknowledge some will be successfully hidden anyways?

A lot of the irredeemables are that way because of the market driven education standards. Kids don't learn philosophy and art have meaning and value, and it has become so alien to them that they stop asking the right questions. I had one of my better students ask me, for another class assignment, what I thought the minimum wage should be. The idea of selling their labor is already ingrained in their world view, and my kids aren't even in high school yet.

We need to put them all in that New Hampshire town that got terrorized by bears

they dont need re-education, theyre barely educated to start with. The CHUDs, the hooting and hollering republicans really arnt worth saving, not that it couldnt be done.

My take is more that they could be re-educated, but that the gulags will be full. Some of them are going to have to go into a deep hole in the ground.

Isn't exiling all the citizens of the former imperial power exactly how attack on Titan starts? Lmao