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[–] VM_Abrantes@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Prophetic comic from 2018

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

First, the way he turns to his co-hosts and says "The Blacks." Cringe.

Second, the historical trajectory of the N-word and 'Nazi' aren't even comparable. The N-word was used by an oppressive, ruling class to demean and dehumanized their subjects (i.e. black people, both freed and enslaved). It's later reclamation from the black community was a subversion of that oppression.

'Nazi' (from Nationalsozialismus), on the the hand, was a term of identification for adherents of an abhorrent ideology. It's how said adherents identified each other. With their defeat in WW2, 'Nazi' (along with 'Fascist') became a taboo descriptor; a descriptor of a racist loser. Neo-Nazis have attempted to re-evaluate the term but any sane and rational person can see right through them.

If you had any doubts that Fox News was the mouthpiece for American Fascism, this clip provide sufficient evidence.

[–] Gaylactus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's the same shit, when they use "The Gays". Like when Trump said back in the 2016 campaign, "I love the gays!". I have ever since, frequently used The Gays™, when I'm making self deprecating jokes. Or when I talk about natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes or floods. Somehow, The Gays™, have tremendous powers, and they can, single-handedly, provoke all those cataclysmic events! "The Jews" can keep their space lasers and wildfires, I guess!

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Ackchually, the word Nazi was originally derogatory towards the National Socialist party. It stems from the Nat-Sozial sounding similar to the nickname Nazi or Naczi (shortening of the proper name Ignatz) which was colloquial for a foolish or awkward person. The National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) never used the word Nazi to describe themselves.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

"They removed all the power from the N-slur, which you can clearly see by how casually I am able to use it here today."

[–] ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 83 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If 'the blacks' have removed power from the n-word, then why can the hosts still not say it? Is it because words do still hold powerful meaning and it's the context that gives it that meaning? And that there is still no context in which the word Nazi can be reclaimed in the same way racial slurs have been?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nazis were clearly the victim of an anti-Nazi agenda.

Also the way he says the blacks at 0:12 is... interesting...

[–] ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Nazis are the real victims in all of this, clearly.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 32 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It wouldn't even make sense to say "reclaim" because it's not like the meaning of "Nazi" ever changed. It means what it's always meant and will likely always meant; it's just that what it means is fucking abhorrent so people don't tend to want to be described by it.

[–] ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

Seems like the hope is to dilute it down, so that it doesn't have the same impact. Which may or may not work with the base, but I'm reasonably confident a majority of people will never not see Nazism as a super bad thing.

[–] Tollana1234567 2 points 3 days ago

more than not its trying to normalize the word "nazi" so it doesnt mean anything.

[–] Tollana1234567 1 points 3 days ago

also because a white person is saying the n-word too.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 48 points 3 days ago

“This is why the criticism doesn’t matter to us.”

Nazi, please. If the criticism didn’t matter to you, you wouldn’t be trying to take away the power of the word “Nazi”.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Inglorious Basterds makes a solid case for being able to identify Nazis when they're not in uniform.

So go ahead, carve your own forehead - gives everyone else something to aim at.

[–] Tollana1234567 3 points 3 days ago

they know how to deal with nazis too.

Plastic surgery has come a long way. Prosthetic thumbs, not so much...

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 days ago

This is what passes for "news" in the US. And half the country is watching it. In a sane timeline this guy would be roasted and career ended for such an insulting display..

[–] schmeeds@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I watched this disgusting show the other night. Not only is it absolutely gross, the way they position topics is dangerous. I can’t believe people watch this thinking this is news.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well that's disgusting. At least they're finally being honest.

[–] TheCleric@lemmy.org 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What, you don’t take someone seriously who says “the BLACKS…”?

I do when they're talking about cats, chess, or checkers. That's about it.

[–] Bernar_moustach@jlai.lu 48 points 4 days ago

It's crazy, you can see him being proud of himself while telling his stupid idea to his stupid friends

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Is this guy fired, or does he just legitimately represent Fox News?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This guy represents the entire Rupert Murdoch media empire. They do not make up their own talking points.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

They can decide. Claim it or fire this guy.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

It's not a bad idea to email Fox News and ask them this question with a link to the clip. Particularly if you're willing to attach your real name and home town.

Does Fox News endorse reclaiming the term "Nazi"?

[–] Tollana1234567 2 points 3 days ago

gutfield is the stand in for o'reilly when he iwas ousted, and jesse watters is the stand in for tucker when he was removed.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire 33 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Lol, the fucking lady who threw out the "Nazi please" is supposed to be the resident liberal...... Jessica Tarlov self-proclaimed democratic party strategist. Though it looks like her only real credentials in politics was helping Boris Johnson's mayoral campaign in 08'?

Where does Fox News find these people?

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Murdoch. Tories and the Republicans are the same thing

[–] Tollana1234567 1 points 3 days ago

funded by the same foreign adversies too.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There's no shortage of loudmouth grifters. Especially in a society that rewards selfishness.

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

From Rupert Murdoch's network of dimwitted talking heads.

[–] arcterus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's Kennedy or whatever her name is, not Jessica Tarlov.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire 1 points 2 days ago

Pretty sure that is Tarlov, Danna Perino the only other woman host is sitting directly to the left of Gutfeld.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Former MTV VJ.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Remember when right wingers on 4chan decided to "troll" people into thinking the "OK" hand sign was actually a White Supremacist dog whistle symbolizing the letters "WP" for "White Power", but then a ton of actual neo-Nazis, skin heads, and other forms of actual White Supermacists just adopted the sign as a new dog whistle making the "troll" retroactively just... true... and making everyone "trolling" for a laugh just unironically normalizing white supremacy and it's identifiers?

Sorry, that was a weird tangent... what was the topic again?

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Normalize these people just disappearing down dark alleys. World's a dangerous place, as they say.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Dude thinks there isn't any problem saying the N word and says the same strategy could work for the other N word. Except he never says the word he thinks there isn't a problem saying.

[–] PostaL@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Shut up, Nazi

[–] Kurious84@eviltoast.org 9 points 3 days ago

This guy is the equivalent of those state media bozos in Russia.

[–] PostaL@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

nazisayswhat

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So when I call some dumb maga jerk a Nazi and they respond with their usual “everything you don’t like is Nazi” I can just point this out and call it a day?

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

You could also point the similarities between ICE and the Gestapo and compare RFK Jr's proposed "autism directory" to Aktion T4.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Greg gutfeld, he hosts a "comedy" show on fox news

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Ah 'comedy' where the punchline is always bigotry

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Prominent comedian Greg “Gutfeld!”. Can’t wait for his one hour special on any platform at all, or his induction into the Mark Twain award, or his Friars Club roast, or his recognition by any legitimately relevant comedian.