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I call to my loved ones on the trolley that this is the time to use the emergency brake which is already there in case of the much more likely scenario of someone getting caught in the doors. Then, once the trolley has come to a stop with everyone safe I start lodging complaints with the department of transportation over the insane number of safety violations that led to this.

Clearly both trolley drivers' dead man's switches have failed, as has the electronic system that is supposed to detect that, as well as the signal system that registers every track switch. Also, the manual oversight of public transportation has failed catastrophically, either not noticing that something weird is going on or choosing to not shut down the trolleys despite noticing it. No one is supposed to be able to switch trolleys headed in opposite directions unto the same track in the first place, and certainly not anyone with access to an unsupervised manual switch. The design of that junction is insane and illegal.

New trolley problem:

You are a worker at wef, you have access to anarchist cookbook

Do you [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] or [redacted] [redacted] [redacted]

They're just workshopping ideas for the next Saw movie.

Oh wait they did this in The Dark Knight.

A trolly is heading down the tracks towards a philosopher. Do you pull the lever to redirect it?

Imagining a sci fi book where the last remnants of humanity are forced to solve trolley problems by an AI.

What if I jump onto the tracks and die with my family member?

Well looking at the diagram, the trolleys have both passed the switch points already so I guess all you can do is watch.

I don't know a whole lot about moral philosophy, but isn't the only moral thing to do here not to pull the lever? From a Kantian perspective, pulling the lever can only be ethical if everyone pulling the lever would also be ethical, but that leads to the worst outcome. From a utilitarian perspective, the lives of your loved ones are no more valuable the the strangers' in the middle, so you would maximize utility by preventint the most deaths. From a cynical perspective, self interested rational actors are likely to decide to pull the lever, so you'd stand to lose more from pulling the lever and most certainly achieving the worst case scenario, than you'd gain from the off chance that the other party made the same calculation and decided against taking the risk. From a natural law perspective either choice can be acceptable so long as the intention behind the action is not to kill any person, and the deaths fall into double effect. So maybe there you could justify pulling the lever.

We need to shut these thought experiments down till we figure out what the hell is going on

The ultimate philosophy thought experiment:

You are locked in a cave since birth, in the cave a trolley is heading towadr a person chained to the rails, if you do nothing the person will die but the door of the cave will open and you'll be able to live, if you use the lever the person won't die but every cells in his body will be replaced 1 by 1 by an exact copy until the person maybe become a different person or maybe not.

Basically the kind of rail system I'd expect America to build.

For the love of God won't somebody do something to improve railway safety? We need to stop these trolleys from causing problems all the time.

This would be more interesting without the three strangers.

If both of you do nothing, two people die. If both of you pull, all die.

Best case one person pulls, saving all their loved ones. The other person loses one.

What do?

As it's written in the OP pulling the lever IMO is always unconscionable as you'll kill three others AND risk killing 6 more.

I wish I could dig up the video snippet where “amoral” philosopher Hans-Georg Moeller destroys the trolley problem: https://www.youtube.com/@carefreewandering/videos

Schrodinger's Prisoner's Trolley Problem

There is a random chance that your and your adversary's switch are flipped because of the decay of 2 atoms of uranium. Does free will exist?

Thought experiments are only useful if they're actually plausible hypotheticals, otherwise it's just a circle jerk.

Remove the part about loved ones and put more people on the default track than the diverted track. More interesting that way

The Big Difficulty Prisoners Probalo

what if it was trolleylemma 40,000 and the lever is this guy:

and you have to beat him up to get him to switch the tracks, and also if not enough people die in this tragedy the hive-city won't have enough corpse starch to make enough ration bricks this cycle. but also if the trains are disrupted then the industrial output of the sector will drop below acceptable levels and trigger a purge by the Adeptus Arbites (who are like an army of judge dredds but with cybernetic killdogs)

I don't pull the lever and flip off the cruel god that has trapped my loved ones on an ephemeral trolley for his or her amusement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8

brb tweeting this to Jeff Probst